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package management stinks
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nitehawk


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 16:29    Post subject:  
sc0ttman wrote:

For example, a standard Puppy 4.2 is compatible with Debian Lenny (Stable) - you can safely install nearly anything you like from there (apart from debian specific setup packages of course) and its deps, then it will almost certainly work OK

..hey,..that's interesting! I have an old Puppy 4.2 cd around here somewhere,...and an old stack of the Lenny DVDs. What about Debian Squeeze,..(probably won't work with Squeeze) (?). Guess I'll find out.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 11:43    Post subject:  
nitehawk wrote:
sc0ttman wrote:

For example, a standard Puppy 4.2 is compatible with Debian Lenny (Stable) - you can safely install nearly anything you like from there (apart from debian specific setup packages of course) and its deps, then it will almost certainly work OK

..hey,..that's interesting! I have an old Puppy 4.2 cd around here somewhere,...and an old stack of the Lenny DVDs. What about Debian Squeeze,..(probably won't work with Squeeze) (?). Guess I'll find out.


I have installed a number of packages from Squeeze in both 4.3.1 and 5.20 -- note, backup your pupsave/lupusave before trying this. And use caution with large package (which are likely to have many missing dependencies).
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dru5k1


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jul 2011, 09:35    Post subject:  
@SimpleWater: I hope you noticed the PPM has a big ConfigurePackageManager button that you can press to open up the 'whole' ubuntu lucid -main,universe,and multiverse- repositories???

@sickgut: I'm glad pussylinux is out, it sounds great and I'm sure to check it out!
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jul 2011, 12:46    Post subject: Re: learning  
Luluc wrote:
sickgut wrote:
What Bruce said is true about the package manager, its handy as a tool to help you get to where your going but we arent tied into using it, and most experience users just grab the static install of the program they wanna use from the vendors site (skype from the skype site, assaultcube from the assultcube site etc...) install them, hunt around for a bit for a few deps, maybe remove some unneeded stuff to strip it a bit and thats it.

I've been around here for about a couple of months and gotten used to seeing several complaints being dismissed because "Puppy is supposed to be that way, limited but simple, in the name of newbie-friendliness." But now, all of a sudden, it is argued that "most Puppy users are savvy, will get by on their own and don't need no fancy-shmancy package manager."

Well, which is it? It is beginning to sound like the Puppy community will just say whatever suits their mood du jour about just leaving things the way they are.


It looks like good arguments to me.

I am not the community, rather an one user, just like anybody, except I have a lot of experience.

Around 2000 I decided to leave Windows and learn Linux. The keyword here is 'learn'.

People who don't take the time to learn are simply not going to be as capable administrators over their computers as those who learned.

Puppy is designed to be newbie friendly to be sure. Users want to add software not included with Puppy's ISO file. Puppy has a package manager as well as packages.

I don't use it and if have enhanced Puppy's software considerably without it, it can't be argued that it is needed.

In a lot of cases packages aren't needed either. A couple days ago I compiled and installed the latest version of Geany text editor and Bluefish HTML editor. No reason to package either.

If a person wants to get the best out of any operating system, he will need to learn the operating system. Learning is not as if one stops living or doesn't have a computer to work with while he learns. One learns on gradient. The more one learns, the easier things become.

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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jul 2011, 23:55    Post subject:  
I didn`t read this whole thread, but I have said the same long ago.
I also suggested a simple fix that`s very advanced and has many benefits.

Make Squash files the new file package format, no installing or removal needed !!!
So there`s no tracking of files ( no mess ), and no space taken in the Save file.

You mount the file ( NOT Unioned ) and use it just that way.

This is the idea I suggested for ChoicePup, and it worked very well.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:20    Post subject:  
As an puppy 3 series user I always thought:
Gslapt‎
the PSI: Puppy Software Installer 07
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=10960

where an great add-on .
Puppy's DotPup package installer vs. Add'l Software forum
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=28537&sid=ba9dcbe10fcaf3a74e6c652e7fad4d33
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SimpleWater

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Aug 2011, 14:13    Post subject:  
dru5k1 wrote:
@SimpleWater: I hope you noticed the PPM has a big ConfigurePackageManager button that you can press to open up the 'whole' ubuntu lucid -main,universe,and multiverse- repositories???

@sickgut: I'm glad pussylinux is out, it sounds great and I'm sure to check it out!


Yeah, you know weird things happen when i install ubuntu packages. Some work, some crash X Confused

Bruce B wrote:
In a lot of cases packages aren't needed either. A couple days ago I compiled and installed the latest version of Geany text editor and Bluefish HTML editor. No reason to package either.


The thing is, not all the programs out there come with a uninstall script. So making pet allows you to uninstall from ppm most of the files, or sometimes none.
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