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nooby

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Aug 2011, 06:23    Post subject:  

nitehawk wrote:
Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.


Not that I remember if I ever succeeded.

But what if one try BSD out in a wm ware or VBox to get a glimpse into what them are at?

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Aug 2011, 12:05    Post subject: Lots of Distros  

I like trying lots of distributions. I have a huge hard drive that I've cut up into a bunch of little partitions. Currently I have about 6 or 7 operating systems installed. I have installed each of them with their own bootloader in the same partition as the distribution in question. I use GAG graphical bootloader as the first one the computer starts with and load the distro from there. It is very easy to modify GAG to include or remove a partition.

Currently, I have Ubuntu 10.04 is my primary distro until it runs out. I'm exploring what I will switch the family to after that. I also have SliTaz, Puppy, and TinyCore on sticks. I'm still exploring TC. However, Puppy is my main stick I use at work (unless IT gets XP working reasonably again).

Yet, I am an admitted distribution whore.
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Aug 2011, 18:20    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
nitehawk wrote:
Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.


Not that I remember if I ever succeeded.

But what if one try BSD out in a wm ware or VBox to get a glimpse into what them are at?

...wouldn't do much good. Couldn't even get to a decent desktop. I'll keep reading the "FreeBSD Handbook", though. I'll try again, when I can get the time,....and I'll either succeed,..or I'll just wait until PC-BSD 9 comes out. (It comes with several smaller desktop environments on the install DVD). And you will also be able to install either PC-BSD or FreeBSD off the DVD as well.
EDIT: Just got to a nice Gnome desktop in FreeBSD. But that's about it. Seems that you have to do mountains of CLI code to get the CD and DVDs to mount,...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Makes Slackware look like a walk in the park. Guess I'm just too spoiled to Puppy...(takes just minutes to get to a nice desktop and start computing.)
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2011, 00:13    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Slitaz I hear good things about - seemed OK, fast, but not as complete as Puppy, last time I looked . . .


SliTaz 3.0 is really nice... well, for my taste, it had almost exactly the things that I like and use, so I burnt the iso and used it almost completely stock for months. It creates a RAMdisk like Puppy, can be remastered, has good package management, et cetera. I love it.

I guess the pool of people working on it isn't as large as for the Puppies, and Pankso, whom I think started the project, had to get a more demanding job two or three months ago, so 4.0 has been delayed somewhat if my understanding of the situation is accurate. I'd love to see them be able to keep up the momentum.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2011, 04:04    Post subject:  

nitehawk wrote:
nooby wrote:
nitehawk wrote:
Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.


Not that I remember if I ever succeeded.

But what if one try BSD out in a wm ware or VBox to get a glimpse into what them are at?

...wouldn't do much good. Couldn't even get to a decent desktop. I'll keep reading the "FreeBSD Handbook", though. I'll try again, when I can get the time,....and I'll either succeed,..or I'll just wait until PC-BSD 9 comes out. (It comes with several smaller desktop environments on the install DVD). And you will also be able to install either PC-BSD or FreeBSD off the DVD as well.
EDIT: Just got to a nice Gnome desktop in FreeBSD. But that's about it. Seems that you have to do mountains of CLI code to get the CD and DVDs to mount,...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Makes Slackware look like a walk in the park. Guess I'm just too spoiled to Puppy...(takes just minutes to get to a nice desktop and start computing.)


You are brave! I've been tempted by FreeBSD in the past but have always been put off by the mountains of work involved.

There is a FreeBSD-based live disk though, called Frenzy. It might be worth a look if you like the BSDs.

I've recently been trying out a distro called Sabayon, which is based on Gentoo. The LXDE version I've got has a lot of light apps, including Midori for web browsing. Works pretty well (but not enough to make me switch from Puppy for live disk use).

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Aug 2011, 17:30    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:

You are brave! I've been tempted by FreeBSD in the past but have always been put off by the mountains of work involved.

There is a FreeBSD-based live disk though, called Frenzy. It might be worth a look if you like the BSDs.


,,I may have to have a look at Frenzy. The only reason I am using Slackware,....is because of my disappointment over my favorite old standby distro VectorLinux taking soooooo long to release #7. I just gave up and tried Slackware,....and was quite surprised that I could actually get it working fairly well (and liking it). I discovered that a few of the apps from the Salix Linux repository will work in both Slackware,...and Wary 5.1.1 (Wine, for instance).
But I have just about given up on Vector. I even discovered that they have changed the desktop,...and dropped the Nvidia driver at install. (I have my Nvidia working very well in Slackware, got the Xfce desktop going nicely,.....so I don't care anymore whether Vector comes out soon, or not).
laika ..
you have me curious about Slitaz,...I'll go have a look at their website.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Aug 2011, 02:45    Post subject:  

nitehawk wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:

You are brave! I've been tempted by FreeBSD in the past but have always been put off by the mountains of work involved.

There is a FreeBSD-based live disk though, called Frenzy. It might be worth a look if you like the BSDs.


,,I may have to have a look at Frenzy. The only reason I am using Slackware,....is because of my disappointment over my favorite old standby distro VectorLinux taking soooooo long to release #7. I just gave up and tried Slackware,....and was quite surprised that I could actually get it working fairly well (and liking it). I discovered that a few of the apps from the Salix Linux repository will work in both Slackware,...and Wary 5.1.1 (Wine, for instance).
But I have just about given up on Vector. I even discovered that they have changed the desktop,...and dropped the Nvidia driver at install. (I have my Nvidia working very well in Slackware, got the Xfce desktop going nicely,.....so I don't care anymore whether Vector comes out soon, or not).
laika ..
you have me curious about Slitaz,...I'll go have a look at their website.


I'm disappointed with Vector 7.0 too. There's a serious bug in the installer which doesn't let you set a UK keyboard default when you install Vector from scratch, so you have to set it manually every time you boot it up.

It's up to RC2 now and they still haven't fixed it. Sad, because Vector 6 is one of my favourite distros and I still use it even though it dates from 2008.

Maybe I'll look at Slackware 13 myself soon. For now though, I'm giving Mint 11 (LXDE, the "light" version) a go soon to see if that's any good. I liked Mint 10 when it came out, although I always ended up setting a root password in order not to have to type "sudo" every time I wanted to make any changes at all to my system Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Aug 2011, 05:11    Post subject:  


Could someone please help me? How does one set up save on ntfs internal hdd on Slitaz ?


Slitaz 3.0 looks good!
It does boot from frugal install from ntfs formatted internal HDD

I tried to set it up so it has similar permissions and root things as Puppy! I downloaded it from cooking version? link
http://www.slitaz.org/en/get/

How to add it to menu.lst frugal install. Click and drag and copy the boot file over to a / or root or C:/
http://doc.slitaz.org/en:guides:frugal
Quote:
title SliTaz cooking
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/bzImage rw root=/dev/null vga=normal
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/rootfs.gz

If you have other "boot" then just rename it to slitazboot
Quote:
title SliTaz cooking
kernel (hd0,0)/slitazboot/bzImage rw root=/dev/null vga=normal
initrd (hd0,0)/slitazboot/rootfs.gz


So I did log in as root, one get a choice if one want to log in as Tux so I change it to root and the password is then root obviously.

Them warn that one are in Super something. I am writing from booted Slitaz now.

But ahve not made any save file. I guess them tell about that one on their doc or forum.


Could someone please help me? How does one set up save on ntfs internal hdd on Slitaz ?


I managed to save menu.lst text files from leafpad several times so that works. (One have to mount the HDD first. )

Sadly them have Midori broswer so it looks very different to Firefox. But maybe them have latest FF in some repo?

I guess I keep this Slitaz3 then Smile it even do Swedish åäö €

But I don't want to join their forum and then get an angry "Read the fucking Manual answer thrown at me" I am too vulnerable to such jelling or barking and would have to lick my wounds for weeks to recover from the attack. Bitten once never go near a Dog house again Smile

so
Could someone please help me? How does one set up save on ntfs internal hdd on Slitaz ?

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Aug 2011, 15:45    Post subject:  

Nitehawk, there's another FreeBSD live disk I should mention, called FreeSBIE;

http://www.freesbie.org/

(but when I googled for it I got a lot of links about frisbees lol)

However, it's not seen a new release since 2007, so if up to date software is important to you it's probably not worth bothering with (says he, posting from Opera 9.64 in Vector 6).

We're spoilt for choice these days, but Puppy sets a very high standard for anything else (and live disks in particular) to reach.

- CP

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Aug 2011, 12:06    Post subject:  

Nooby wrote:
I tried to set it up so it has similar permissions and root things as Puppy! I downloaded it from cooking version? link.


Nooby, "cooking" is their most current release between "stables." SliTaz 3.0 is the current stable; the latest cooking was released in May, IIRC, and 4.0 is under development. There are also the "flavors"...

I never tried the frugal install because I never found instruction for doing so on a Linux-formatted HDD. Maybe now I'll follow your example Very Happy

I eventually put FireFox, Xfce and Midnight Commander on 3.0 after stumbling upon a command (writeiso or some such) to copy what I had running onto a LiveCD. I boot to RAM from that.

Nooby wrote:
I guess I keep this Slitaz3 then Smile it even do Swedish åäö €


Yes, those guys are Northern Europeans, I believe, so maybe the chances of finding Swedish was better?

Nooby wrote:
But I don't want to join their forum and then get an angry "Read the fucking Manual answer thrown at me" I am too vulnerable to such jelling or barking and would have to lick my wounds for weeks to recover from the attack. Bitten once never go near a Dog house again Smile


Haha! No answer at all seems to be more likely there. I haven't used their forum much, because their 3.0 was so close to the perfect distribution for me. Midori crashed alot, and their was some trick to getting Flash working on FF, but everything else behaved nicely with me.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Aug 2011, 12:19    Post subject:  

Thanks. So how does one save to the HDD then. I mean persistence. How does one set up a save file sort of?

Nope them are not Nordic them are proud guys from France or French speaking Switcherland something Smile I doubt them care about åäö

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Aug 2011, 15:52    Post subject:  

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I've done a really crazy "Distrohopping" in the past. Going from all sort of Debian Derivatives to slackware, any kind of what uses E17, any Arch Distro i can get and forth and back... What i like most at the time are these minimalistic (in use of Ram) Distros like Archbang, Rexbang, Crunchbang (yeah, i am the type of guy that likes to be BANGED Smile ). Now i am sticked to Crunchbang Linux because it is rocksolidstable and there is this huge Debian repository in the back... really like it.
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Aug 2011, 15:59    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Thanks. So how does one save to the HDD then. I mean persistence. How does one set up a save file sort of?


I never learned how Embarassed At first, I booted from the 3.0 LiveCD and configured my DSL connection anew each session. Then I came upon that writeiso business in their Tazlito Manual - SliTaz Live Tool. That made a snapshot of my set-up as it existed at that moment. I burned the iso from that and use it to boot now, and have my desktop and browser of choice, plus no need to configure pppoe each time. But that's not a save file at all; I still manually save bookmarks and whatnot to files on a HDD or in the so-called cloud (Google Mail, Picasa, Ubuntu One). Because I play with different live distributions, I don't always bother with actual savefiles in the Puppy sense. I don't use a computer in such a way as requires me to save much.

nooby wrote:
Nope them are not Nordic them are proud guys from France or French speaking Switcherland something Smile I doubt them care about åäö


Ah, my ignorance shows itself Embarassed I thought they were Swiss and lumped them in with Nordic types. Not to worry though, since for whatever reason they've got åäö for you!
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Aug 2011, 17:08    Post subject:  

lowrider wrote:
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I've done a really crazy "Distrohopping" in the past. Going from all sort of Debian Derivatives to slackware, any kind of what uses E17, any Arch Distro i can get and forth and back... What i like most at the time are these minimalistic (in use of Ram) Distros like Archbang, Rexbang, Crunchbang (yeah, i am the type of guy that likes to be BANGED Smile ). Now i am sticked to Crunchbang Linux because it is rocksolidstable and there is this huge Debian repository in the back... really like it.


I've heard good things about Crunchbang. Mint (also based on Ubuntu) is getting "difficult" IMO for anyone with an old computer and only 512 MB of RAM. I tried to install it on my machine but the installer hung when I was trying to set the timezone Sad

At the moment I'm posting from Swift (as mentioned in my sig), which is based on AntiX and is a good distro for old computers. It can also access the Debian repos, though in my experience you're often better off googling for the packages and then typing "dpkg -i" to install them..

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Aug 2011, 19:48    Post subject:  

I'm looking for an minimalistic slackware Distros .
Really like the slackware tools pkgtools, slapt-get and gslapt.
Thank you BIG_BASS for that - i'm hooked Very Happy
For now its 3.02 "StarDrop" and TXZ_PUP - slackware with training wheels.

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