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#261 Post by sc0ttman »

wuwei wrote:Thanks radky and sc0ttman.

PupSnap 1.61. does all I have been missing. It is now a useful and convenient tool.

Acidentially, I took this snapshot for you sc0ttman.

And entirely OT: The words "Knapp" and "Neuere" make no sense at all. This is German alright, but I have no clue, what it could mean here.
I'll see if I find a Puppy on my setup without German localisation and check what it says in English.
When copying from ext to NTFS I have always had the error saying that permissions not kept (retained) - this is normal because NTFS does not support permissions in the same way (barely at all, in fact)..

I have no idea what that German message says...
It maybe the same one?? If not, then its a new one to me, as I only ever had messages about permission not being retained.

** EDIT:

And yes, the 'Newer' option makes sense to me - replace only with newer versions, but the others seem to do nothing, and as such, I also cannot say what 'Brief' is supposed to do... And 'Quiet' does not act how I expect - I understand 'Quiet' to mean 'do not ask to overwrite files' - but this appears not to be the case...
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wvdial

#262 Post by rodin.s »

Wvdial is used by pupdial. I use pupdial to connect via 3G-modem or mobile phone. PGPRS could be used for mobile phone and pppd scripts for 3G-modem but pupdial is also useful.

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OT

#263 Post by L18L »

wuwei wrote:..
And entirely OT: The words "Knapp" and "Neuere" make no sense at all. This is German alright, but I have no clue, what it could mean here.
I'll see if I find a Puppy on my setup without German localisation and check what it says in English.
found this on a wary with localization

# msgunfmt /usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/Messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/ROX-Filer.mo | grep -B 2 Knapp

msgid "Brief"
msgstr "Knapp"
#
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sc0ttman wrote: I understand 'Quiet' to mean 'do not ask to overwrite files'
Quiet is without displaying every single copy action (copying directories)

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#264 Post by vanchutr »

rodin.s wrote

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Wvdial is used by pupdial. I use pupdial to connect via 3G-modem or mobile phone. PGPRS could be used for mobile phone and pppd scripts for 3G-modem but pupdial is also useful.
Exactly

I'd used "usb_modemswitch" to setup my serial modem USB-3G, the later call "wwdial". After those I use pupdial to connect with internet (via USB-3G serial modem)

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#265 Post by wuwei »

@ sc0ttman and L18L:

Okay the fog is clearing somewhat.

Quiet or "Still" in German means that a directory is copied without intermediate messages for each file. That I knew.

Newer and Neuere makes sense when the newer version of a file is supposed to be copied over the older one as a default. Learned that.

But "brief" and "knapper"? It does the same when copying files as "quiet" does. But I found this in the ROX manual:
Brief prevents the filer logging a message every time it does something. Use this to speed things up if large numbers of messages are being logged.
Granted this is not written for the copying function, but for "action window options". Yet, it could apply to copying as well, in analogy.

One could argue the translation as "knapper" to be not exactly elegant. But as long as one doesn't know what "brief" means here, it is irrelevant not to know the meaning of "knapper" either.

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compiled mtpaint

#266 Post by don570 »

I compiled mtpaint so it doesn't use jasper.
I tested it and it works on akita.
I'll post it tomorrow.


I think I can solve the problem with zathura_gui
with a simple test command. I will simply
test to check if the variable is a file.
I'll work on it tonite.

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Re: compiled mtpaint

#267 Post by sc0ttman »

don570 wrote:I compiled mtpaint so it doesn't use jasper.
I tested it and it works on akita.
I'll post it tomorrow.
Brilliant thanks very much :D

I think I can solve the problem with zathura_gui
with a simple test command. I will simply
test to check if the variable is a file.
I'll work on it tonite.
OK cool, post it, or a link to it, here when you're done..

I also have some work from rasky to look over and get that into Akita as well, should be really nice!!

On a more selfish note, if anyone can help me out here, I'll be forever grateful: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=71139
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#268 Post by don570 »

I compiled thisversion 3.34.68 earlier week,
but I was in a rush and didn't have time to post it.
Now I see the interesting post from Dmitri.
explaining what Jasper actually does. I don't understand why
Barry Kauler includes it. It seems useless.

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I compiled using this configuration

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./configure  --bindir=/usr gtk2 tiff jpeg gif nojp2 intl

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new mtpaint

#269 Post by don570 »

I now see that there is a new version 3.34.68 :roll:

Here's the news item

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   * Main toolbar and tools toolbar now rearrange themselves to fit in window
	

   * Preferences window now has scrollbars when screen is too small to display it whole
	

   * The preview button on the colour selectors is now a toggle to enable interactive previews
	

+  * Line tool now displays geometry info on the status bar
	

   * Gaussian blur effect now faster by 20-35%
 	

   * Image scaling now faster by 10-35%
	

   * "Protect details" toggle added to Kuwahara-Nagao blur

 Here is a summary of the main changes in this release (see handbook for full det
 	

   * Animated GIF and multipage TIFF files now can be loaded into layers (one frame/page per layer)
	

   * GIF animation file exploding is now done internally in mtPaint, not Gifsicle
	

   * "Explode Frames" can now save frames in any suitable supported file format
 	

+  * File actions can now specify file format conversion : See handbook section A.7 for details
 	

   * Netpbm file formats (PBM/PGM/PPM/PAM) save/load added
	

   * PCX file format save/load added
	

   * SVG file format import added (using librsvg; requires GTK+ 2.4 or later)

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new zathura 1.9

#270 Post by don570 »

new zathura_gui 1.9 corrects some strange behaviour.

I've noticed that the Zathura font (whatever it is
called??) changes depending on which Puppy
variant. Unfortunately with Akita the font is
greyish and hard to read :cry:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 558#557558

Barry Kauler includes an icon
/usr/share/examples/ps-pdf/Acrobat.pdf

Perhaps he does that for legal reasons??
It's size is 45k. You could reduce it's size
by making a replacement with Abiword
Just have some textual info inside the PDF.
I have a link to it for Zathura_gui.

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The lightsword alarm is a lot smaller than I
thought( the package to download
is 400k), but I still recommend
pclock .35 since I localized it
(French and German locals are inside the pet package)
pclock .2 isn't very user-friendly so it
should be avoided.

I don't think lightsword alarm will ever be localized
which is a shame.

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I get confused trying to track down 'pfind'
There are two 'Find files' listed on the menu.

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#271 Post by technosaurus »

I have a lot of gtk1 apps including the latest mtpaint for my kids underpowered geode boxes. There is a small error in x.x.68 that prevented a nothreads compile (even in gtk2), but I moved the necessary code to where it was needed and voila, their favorite paint program only uses ~8mb of RAM. I doubt many would want a nothreads gtk1 version, but I can make my hack into a proper patch if need be.
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#272 Post by sc0ttman »

technosaurus wrote:I have a lot of gtk1 apps including the latest mtpaint for my kids underpowered geode boxes. There is a small error in x.x.68 that prevented a nothreads compile (even in gtk2), but I moved the necessary code to where it was needed and voila, their favorite paint program only uses ~8mb of RAM. I doubt many would want a nothreads gtk1 version, but I can make my hack into a proper patch if need be.
Maybe something for PULP (that gtk1 focused puplet)? Not that I wouldn't mind it.. Does gtk1 support UTF-8? Would the russian show up alright? Cos I've replaced jasper (as we no longer need it, thanks to don) with the es.fr.de.ru .mo files, and still saved a little space.. :) A good move I reckon..
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#273 Post by technosaurus »

gtk1 support(ed) a lot of languages, has a much smaller footprint and _had_ quite a few good apps. MTPaint uses less than half the resources, but he biggest difference I have seen though is in the gtk1 standalone flash player v6 (~8mb RAM footprint)

on another note, I thought I saw you post something about trying to compile urxvt smaller ... can't seem to find the post again but if so try mrxvt ... urxvt is bloated up C++ code and that alone tends to add 200+kb in puppy (no precompiled headers maybe?)
... I don't think my 73kb pet of mrxvt had NLS enabled but you can check it out here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=39133

here are my notes on how to get numbered tabs in mrxvt

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+++ mrxvt-0.5.4/src/init.c ..........set tabs to numbers
    /*
     * Set the tab title
     */
    if (IS_NULL(title)){
		title = DEFAULT_TAB_TITLE;
		sprintf(title,"%d",r->ntabs);
	}
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#274 Post by sc0ttman »

technosaurus wrote:urxvt is bloated up C++ code and that alone tends to add 200+kb in puppy (no precompiled headers maybe?)
... I don't think my 73kb pet of mrxvt had NLS enabled but you can check it out here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=39133

here are my notes on how to get numbered tabs in mrxvt

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+++ mrxvt-0.5.4/src/init.c ..........set tabs to numbers
    /*
     * Set the tab title
     */
    if (IS_NULL(title)){
		title = DEFAULT_TAB_TITLE;
		sprintf(title,"%d",r->ntabs);
	}
I'm now running mrxvt, quite nice... No UTF-8 in mrxvt though... It is not yet supported, and I've no idea when it will be.. So I tried the 'mrxvt05utf8' version (a fork or off-shoot or whatever) and it segfaulted a lot... :( I will try to build it a few ways, but it seems that its not at all stable

That is a shame because if I can get UTF-8 working in mrxvt that will be really nice.. And means I can do away with termit .. I've already got rid of aterm and urxvt..

Also, it got me thinking, what would I need to do to make changes to the actual default terminal - upgrading features and such... I'd ideally like elinks to run in 256 colours, with UTF-8 - when no X server is running... I also found 'mp', 'mc' and a few other terminal apps really nice..

I have re-compiled elinks to include a bittorrent client, and will probably remove puptransmission and transmissioncli - this will save around 200kb...

I am also interested in getting a high res terminal, or maybe one that can show VLC, mplayer, etc... Framebuffer or something... There is a 'framebufferwizard' but it seems not to work... And I know nothing on the subject..

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Also, I found something called cw that claims to colorize (colourise) the output of many commands ... I have attached below.. I cannot seem to make it do anything..

I have also attached dtach which gives you the 'detach' functionality from 'screen' ... It can be used with mrxvt.. more info
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dtach.gz
unzip and put in /usr/bin/
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cw-1.0.16-i486.pet
terminal output colouriser
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#275 Post by technosaurus »

Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#276 Post by sc0ttman »

technosaurus wrote:Suzy has a couple patches
https://build.opensuse.org/package/file ... e%3Asdrahn
I am loving mrxvt... I disabled extras like transparency, xft jpeg png etc at compile time.. I figured I would also disable all the GUI stuff in the config file, cos when using the terminals keybindings are much better - no need to switch back to the mouse... So I added a load of keybindings to the rc file...

Works great, really like it... Fast and convenient :)
I added also a readme about mrxvt keystokes to /root/my-documents/quick-tips/

...I really hope the UTF-8 version/patches you linked to works OK, yet to try it, but will soon.. I forgot to add your tab rename patch, and really miss it - so I will re-compile anyway...

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Just an update... A new ISO will be up really soon...

As above, mrxvt replaces urxvt (removed completely), and termit (still installed)..

I've also added scliss, renamed as 'ezfind' - a great little CLI search tool by 01micko, that I just discovered :D

Finally, Akita is using the Xorg binary from Wary so I have updated lots of Xorg modules like ati_drv.so, and so on... I stole them from Wary 512 - I hope this is not dumb, I do not htink the Xorg modules rely on kernel versions, do they??

The remastered version boots for me, using the 'nv' Xorg module, so it seems OK.
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Akita Linux.. BETA1

#277 Post by sc0ttman »

EDIT: BETA2 now available, later in this thread...

New ISO uploaded: Akita Linux Beta 1, Sept 08 2011

Download mirrors: http://www.multiupload.com/SLG92MW8QI
(Size 87mb, md5: 5b6b43ea9cce68686f454337d38c33c0)

Changes since last time (akita alpha1):
- faster menus and many faster programs
- better default program choices and settings
- much better delayedrun, with nice flash installer
- more localisation of key programs
- more drivers in zdrv, updated Xorg modules
- cleaner menus, some new easier GUIs
- many programs updated to latest versions

Bugs not yet fixed:
- mrxvt still not UTF-8 enabled
- update the rest of Xorg to xorg-server-7.3-w5 package, and its deps
- still not added eduroam, quickpet or opengl-installer
- not yet updated help files
- update PPM, add filter for 'DEV' and 'NLS' packages (help wanted!!!)
- create zdrv_cutr GUI,
- update devx (a lot of updates needed, but normal 'devx_420.sfs' still works fine..)
- add MAC address settings to firstrun, maybe
- look into EduRoam GUI... (I didn't forget)
- custom help documentation, update 'puppyhelp'
- support localisation for JWMConfig, wizardwizard, input-wizard.. maybe puppyinstaller <-- help!
- remove unused libs and binaries - many leftovers: icons, gtk1, for example

Feedback welcome :D

Things to test, if possible:

installation:
- frugal installer, puppy installer, browser installer, pupsaveconfig
- PPM and the wary 5 pets in the repo
- gparted, etc
- save file boot option pfix=delayedsave, forces pupmode=12 when pupmode=13 (disables saving to save file in real-time)

network:
- wireless (wifi) networking - PLEASE test this if you can.. it may be broken!
- pupdial, 3g modems, anything that needs wvdial
- samba-tng and tcsclient RDP working or not?
- mac changer working OK?

system:
- does elinks do its job? (html viewer, simple browser)
- termit to be replaced by faster UTF-8 terminal with working -e command? (urxvt -e not working)
- multimedia working OK?
- vlc-gtk working OK? any major problems?
- any problems with mplayer from PPM?
- any font or UTF-8 issues? (not including *rxvt terminal emulators)

hardware:
- test on netbooks, laptops, etc
- boot straight to desktop? xorgwizard working, if not?
- force feedback for joypads
- wacom and wizardpen drawing tablets

support and help:
- Menu>Help ... puppyhelp needs some fixes
- localisation, any missing translations, incorrect translations?
- important missing help docs? (I will also write a custom one, and get translations)

JWM/ROX desktop environment:
- test Menu>Setup>System>Toggle ROX Desktop
- test JWM-drives on the desktop, mounting unmounting stuff
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quick_launch-1.0

#278 Post by don570 »

I tried quick_launch-1.0 on Akita and it worked great.
You should try it and see if you can get it to launch with
a Ctrl-shift-L keystroke combination.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 839#561839

I am in the process of making the localization
(using Zigbert's method)

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CW

#279 Post by Keef »

If you go to /usr/bin/cw/ and run the wrapper scripts from there, you will see the effects. (eg ./date). Some look better than others. Try 'free'.

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browser and flash installation, frisbee problems

#280 Post by oligin10 »

Hi Scott, not having a lot of time right now for Puppy, but wanted to give a couple of observations. First, Frisbee seems to have problems making connection. SNS works fine. I have had similar problems with other puplets and Frisbee. I am trying wireless setup with Atheros 5k pcmcia card. Also, Firedog 3.6 is shown in menu but not installed. It will install properly from browser installer. Flock does not install, says already installed. Midori and Opera seem to install fine. Flash installer does populate in installed pets. Flash 7 does not install at all. Flash 9 installed and says it will identify itself as Flash 10. Also, initial setup menu seems to be working properly now. Did not work at all in Akita Linux Alpha. Thanks again, Rob

THANKS, for all your hard work. I am really enjoying Akita and looking forward to the finished OS.

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