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A true concern about the very future of Puppylinux
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borgbucolic


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug 2011, 23:29    Post subject: my bad  
nooby wrote:
We maybe have two threads about it already? Smile


Embarassed my bad. Thanks for the nice search links though.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 02:17    Post subject: Raspberry Pi  
http://www.raspberrypi.org/

"An ARM Linux Box"

http://www.raspberrypi.org/?page_id=43&mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=243.0#postid-3583

Talking about running Puppy (or not) on above Forum
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James C


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 02:32    Post subject: Re: Raspberry Pi  
onyakev wrote:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/

"An ARM Linux Box"

http://www.raspberrypi.org/?page_id=43&mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=243.0#postid-3583

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Let's just say that there isn't much interest in porting Puppy to ARM......I.agree with the earlier post,serious work can't really be done on a smartphone or tablet and it will be quite a while before that may change so no need to chase a fad.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 04:40    Post subject:  
I know nothing so I am kind of lost Smile
But as many others have realized it is extremely time consuming and headache to spend years on coding all those needed changes to make a Puppy on ARM and then them have already moved on to better CPU still a variant of ARM but not compatible with the old version we have.

So the better approach has to be to accept that the commercial "bodies" spend money on Devs to make custom made versions for each company and then the way we could go is to support those that "root" them and that way get something that is not Puppy but a usable product that move with the target so them are always just a few weeks or month delayed having a rooted version ROM to load.

Am I wrong? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 20:42    Post subject: Re: ARM Puppy  
James C wrote:
Let's just say that there isn't much interest in porting Puppy to ARM......I.agree with the earlier post,serious work can't really be done on a smartphone or tablet and it will be quite a while before that may change so no need to chase a fad.


Plus, x86 is moving to tablets, see for example the AMD Fusion processors.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 23:27    Post subject:  
The thing about tablets/aPads is that you need a magnifier to read them!

Anyone wanna buy a Dell Server with SCSI drives - 1300 watts room warmer, ready for the winter? free earplugs Wink

Growing old while tech gets younger, is disappointingly frustrating

Aitch Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 23:43    Post subject:  
Aitch wrote:
The thing about tablets/aPads is that you need a magnifier to read them!

Anyone wanna buy a Dell Server with SCSI drives - 1300 watts room warmer, ready for the winter? free earplugs Wink

Growing old while tech gets younger, is disappointingly frustrating

Aitch Smile
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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Aug 2011, 02:25    Post subject:  
Nooby, you got what I mean. And apology accepted Wink

raffy, you are right. I have heard of GIGA byte's windows tablet.

The only problem is the price. I can find some windows based tablets here in China but close to 4000 yuan. Regular PC is just 2 to 3000 yuan.

ARM based cost only 7 to 800 yuan.

Folks, maybe I was overeacting to the flood of ARM based or A6 chip based tablets.

If resonably priced x86 compatible tablet is available, all problems would be gone.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Aug 2011, 02:26    Post subject:  
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Dec 2011, 20:09    Post subject: PC's are not going anywhere...
Subject description: Dissention! ;)		  
I understand the concern, but:

Radio was supposed to kill newspapers.
TV was supposed to kill radio AND movie theaters.
The internet was supposed to kill everything.

Tablets are for media consumption, not content creation.

Even email is a PITA on a smart phone or tablet compared to on a proper computer.

I don't think computers are going anywhere.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Dec 2011, 05:48    Post subject: Re: PC's are not going anywhere...
Subject description: Dissention! ;)		  
Flash858 wrote:
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Even email is a PITA on a smart phone or tablet compared to on a proper computer.

I don't think computers are going anywhere.


Very good argument it sure is. I have tested now some three different
Android and looked on neighbor and workmates I phone something
and I also have a Nokia smartphone. Small keyboards or one need
to use Swype or some other fancy thing to write on them.

But still I do think we should be concerned due to price and availability
will be scarce on Desktops or Laptops?

The makers of them sell too few so them tend to concentrate on
volume and Game is volume so the desktops left are very power
consuming heavy things with water cooling and several fans and noisy
expensive things that I fail to find economical other than second hand.

Okay so Laptops would still have a niche for cheap usable computers.
But I am pessimistic the reports here in Sweden say them fail to sell
enough to make it go around.

So it is not easy to know what the future will bring.

My personal wish is a smartphone that is smart enough to be a real
computer in that one can connect a usb hub and through that one
connect any external thing one need. Mouse, Keyboard, External HDD drive, DVD rom burner, and it should have HDMI out to a decent screen.

That way one can use it as any other phone but when on are at home
and at work one can connect it to the external things and use it as any desktop one have. ARM is ideal for such smart phone.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Dec 2011, 11:21    Post subject: A true concern about the very future of Puppylinux  
I can remember when debit/cash cards came out 30 odd years ago all the pundits predicted that cash would disappear ! I think the same may well apply to PC's
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Dec 2011, 05:14    Post subject:  
It really comes down to what you can do with it. The rest is simply marketing gimmicks. For example, a real pianist is happy with a quality piano that hasn't changed much in 100 years...while non-musicians will go for 500 digitized sounds.

With an OS like puppy, I can do everything I want on an old laptop at blazing speeds. The OS doesn't control me, and the apps don't send out my personal info for marketing. I now get ads even on my kindle reader (the simple $75 e-ink one). Ads on your iphone, ads on your ipod, ads on your ipad. Are you ready for 3 minute ads for every 10 minutes internet browsing? Fond of blinking banner ads? It's the future.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Dec 2011, 07:54    Post subject:  
I will prefer to use an old PC if I have an OS which works fast, instead of buying a new one with another OS for it. Puppy linux is ready to bring back to live most of the old hardware. This will keep puppy alive for many years forward.
Many people here have the will and skills to ensure puppy linux future.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 19:24    Post subject: A true concern about the very future of Puppylinux
Subject description: Reminder about SOPA and future concerns		  
puppyiso writes:
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A true concern about the very future of Puppylinux


Hi, I feel like I have to jump in here with this reminder about the changing nature of the internet in addition to the form of the computer we hold in our hands or the OS that runs it.

Soon, very soon, like in the next few weeks, The Senate's PROTECT IP Act and House's Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) bill will be voted on in the USA.
Take a careful look at what this bill could mean to this forum and users of this forum.

Ars Technica Writes:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/sopa-on-the-ropes-bipartisan-alternative-to-net-censorship-emerges.ars

Quote:
The Senate's PROTECT IP Act and the House's Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) are so noxious that even the Business Software Alliance has serious reservations, and SOPA's main backer had to take to the virtual pages of National Review today to quell a growing revolt among his conservative colleagues about "regulating the Internet." Whatever you think of the legislation, it unquestionably represents a sea change in the US approach to the Internet, one which explicitly contemplates widespread website blocking and search engine de-listing ...


Like some other members of this forum, I collect old laptops and fix them up with Puppies and give them out to people who can't afford any form of computer device. These people mostly want to simply email friends and relatives and do some simple surfing of the web.

gcmartin's post back in August catches my attention:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=555898#555898

My experience in IT goes back to the 60's. I've watched and participated in the mind-boggling development of computer devices and systems. And, I've watched the general public struggle with all the technical twists and turns that it takes to get a PC up and workable. Yes, a certain OS manufacturer has made this journey unacceptably difficult. Praise to the open source community for rising to the the challenge of providing an alternative, albeit still technical, solution. The general public chooses convenience and ease of use over anything else when it comes to things technical. That's what gcmartin saw in his friend and wisely applied a successful, workable solution. We can't loose site of the reason that most users want a 'computer'. The average user wants access to helpful, interesting information from the net. Or in the case of a certain President of the USA, he found and used his computer as incredible fund raising tool to get elected. And, recently, in the case of the people of the middle east, they found and used their machines as incredible social organizing tools. But, I digress, the average consumer doesn't buy the machine to learn mind numbing technical skills. They want easy access to information and communication.


Here is further information on SOPA:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73719
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