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nooby

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 10:37    Post subject:  

The only real problem

Yes I ahve tried both AntiX and Swift and for me whom always do frugal install the real problem is that being a live version it by default set the partition one boot from as read only even if one are root or sudo.

I asked Anti about it and AFAIK there are no solution for it.

I trust it works okay as a full install or on USB but not frugal on ntfs.
You can not save a thing on it only read.

Now I am no big fan of Slitaz but that one just works in frugal install while Swift fails to save. So slitaz beats it by horse length.

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 12:14    Post subject:  

Thanks for your reply Nooby.

I'm having trouble getting the latest Swift (0.1.2) even to install to my hard drive, though the last one (0.1.1) installed OK. I shouldn't really say any more until I've taken my troubles to the AntiX forum (where there's a thread on Swift).

Slitaz does look interesting; it's on my list of "low system requirement" distros to have a look at soon along with Austrumi and perhaps Unity as well. I want to get the best solution I can for an old machine like mine and Puppy will almost certainly be a part of that, but maybe not the whole answer. For nearly all of my time running Puppy (5 years - how time flies!) I've run something else on my computer as well, and quite often more than one Puppy at the same time.

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 12:19    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
The only real problem

Yes I ahve tried both AntiX and Swift and for me whom always do frugal install the real problem is that being a live version it by default set the partition one boot from as read only even if one are root or sudo.

I asked Anti about it and AFAIK there are no solution for it.

I trust it works okay as a full install or on USB but not frugal on ntfs.
You can not save a thing on it only read.

Now I am no big fan of Slitaz but that one just works in frugal install while Swift fails to save. So slitaz beats it by horse length.


Next version of antiX will be more frugal-friendly. We have been working on this since antiX-M11 was released.
Just to let you know, I have been running antiX frugal on an ntfs external usb drive and from an ntfs usb stick and saving files.
We found a solution, hope you give it a test when we release.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 12:47    Post subject:  

Thanks such can be very helpful to people with older low RAM gear.

AntiX does make low impact on RAM so that is a good thing that it also can be used in frugal install with save on same internal hdd that one boot from in future. I don't thing Murga get angry if you tell about it in these part of the forum or maybe in the off topic one even ?

So I do look forward to that news here too.

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Aug 2011, 14:36    Post subject:  

I'm posting from an old version of Mint Debian. It seems to need less in the way system resources than standard Debian (I haven't done formal testing) but I think antiX is better for old machines.

Not to mention the fact that the version I've got has got several broken libraries that won't update properly Sad

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Aug 2011, 15:48    Post subject:  

Old??? so old that you can boot in grub legacy or grub4Dos?

Because Debian and Mint and most others have gone over to grub2 has them not?

okay you boot through isolinux maybe that explains it???

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PostPosted: Wed 31 Aug 2011, 18:50    Post subject:  

No, it´s just that it´s not the latest one. Mint 10 Debian (which I've got) seems to need less in the way of system resources than Mint 11 LXDE; it installs and runs comfortably in 512 MB, whereas I´ve only just managed to install Mint 11 LXDE at all in 512 MB and am running it in a lightweight window manager (vtwm) to keep system resources down.

When all is said and done though, it´s still a fine distro. It's just a shame that the time seems to be passing when it can be recommended as a distro for old machines.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Sep 2011, 04:00    Post subject:  

Guys don't get angry with me now! I have a 80 year old Mechanic as neighbor and he had used a "doctored" MsWindows that his grandchildren had prepared for free for him so he could do Genaology something. Looking back on elder generations now gone whatever.

But MsWin them don't like doctored versions so them shut it down and locked his machine. Impossible to get by or go around or start up in any other way then to tell MsWin that sorry we abused your property.

So he come to the Noob Guru next door for help. So I made one CD with Puppy Linux on it and one with Linux Mint on it. Number 8 or 9 not sure was some two years ago.

He preferred the Linux Mint and did not like Puppy so much. Well what to do you can only lead the Horse to the Well and then the Horse decide if it taste good or not. Smile

Yes something about Mint makes it good but these programs are too big and all the locked in things, so much to learn to just do simple things that just work o Puppy. But him never had to do those things. He checked the email and read newspaper and looked at what next on TV and then shut down. No fancy stuff. Now he has a MsWin him actually payed for instead of using free Linux stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Sep 2011, 14:14    Post subject:  

A quick update; I've just managed to install Swift, the second time of trying, and am posting from it now. I've posted a comment on the AntiX forum to this effect, and an apology in recognition of the fact that I'd claimed their installer doesn't work when in fact it does (I'm not sure what happened the first time).

Swift 0.1.2 does work!

Regards,

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Sep 2011, 14:32    Post subject:  

hi all

my daughter has linux mint 10 (64bit) on her pc (recent) and it is very impressive for a full distro, but wont let you run as root

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Sep 2011, 15:02    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
A quick update; I've just managed to install Swift, the second time of trying, and am posting from it now. I've posted a comment on the AntiX forum to this effect, and an apology in recognition of the fact that I'd claimed their installer doesn't work when in fact it does (I'm not sure what happened the first time).

Swift 0.1.2 does work!

Regards,

Colonel Panic .


Cool, may I guess that you made a full install? I guess that is their preferred way to install. So that all Linux users feel the mare on or in a "Real Linux" and not some Poor mans frugal install odd thing Smile

If it is a frugal install in NTFS can you edit text files on the same partition it booted from?

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep 2011, 11:52    Post subject:  

Stripe wrote:
hi all

my daughter has linux mint 10 (64bit) on her pc (recent) and it is very impressive for a full distro, but wont let you run as root

stripe


Hi,

No it won't, none of the Debian-based distros (including Ubuntu and its derivatives) will AFAIK. It's part of the Debian philosophy.

If you want to make any changes, what you have to do is type "su root" and then type in your password when prompted. That will set you up as root for anything you do from that terminal (but you have to go through it all again when you close the terminal!).

You either get used to it or you give up on Debian-based distros. It's better for security though I guess (and I like the fact that Debian, unlike Slackware, tracks the dependencies of all its packages).

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Sep 2011, 11:58    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
A quick update; I've just managed to install Swift, the second time of trying, and am posting from it now. I've posted a comment on the AntiX forum to this effect, and an apology in recognition of the fact that I'd claimed their installer doesn't work when in fact it does (I'm not sure what happened the first time).

Swift 0.1.2 does work!

Regards,

Colonel Panic .


Cool, may I guess that you made a full install? I guess that is their preferred way to install. So that all Linux users feel the mare on or in a "Real Linux" and not some Poor mans frugal install odd thing Smile

If it is a frugal install in NTFS can you edit text files on the same partition it booted from?


Thanks for asking. Yes it is a full install, but not in NTFS as I don't have Windows or Windows file systems on my machine at the moment (don't see the need).

I haven't figured out whether or not you can do a frugal in AntiX or its derivatives, but to be honest with 30 GB of hard drive space to use and a distro as economical on resources as Swift it doesn't really bother me that much.

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 11:58    Post subject:  

Austrumi is also a nice distro, if you can figure out how to get the menus in English (the distro comes from Latvia). It's practically the only distro I can think of which uses fvwm as its main window manager.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Sep 2011, 13:18    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:


Austrumi is also a nice distro, if you can figure out how to get the menus in English (the distro comes from Latvia).




taken from "/austrumi/message.msg" (or press F1 if booting from CD):


Code:


      lang_XX      where XX - locale (el, en, es, fr, hu, it, lv, ltg, pt_br, ru, uk)




here it is in my grub4dos menu.lst:

Code:


title Austrumi
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /austrumi/austrumi.lst
kernel /austrumi/bzImage dousb lang_en
initrd /austrumi/initrd.gz



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