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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Aug 2011, 18:27    Post subject:  

I have a lot of gtk1 apps including the latest mtpaint for my kids underpowered geode boxes. There is a small error in x.x.68 that prevented a nothreads compile (even in gtk2), but I moved the necessary code to where it was needed and voila, their favorite paint program only uses ~8mb of RAM. I doubt many would want a nothreads gtk1 version, but I can make my hack into a proper patch if need be.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 07:08    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
I have a lot of gtk1 apps including the latest mtpaint for my kids underpowered geode boxes. There is a small error in x.x.68 that prevented a nothreads compile (even in gtk2), but I moved the necessary code to where it was needed and voila, their favorite paint program only uses ~8mb of RAM. I doubt many would want a nothreads gtk1 version, but I can make my hack into a proper patch if need be.

Maybe something for PULP (that gtk1 focused puplet)? Not that I wouldn't mind it.. Does gtk1 support UTF-8? Would the russian show up alright? Cos I've replaced jasper (as we no longer need it, thanks to don) with the es.fr.de.ru .mo files, and still saved a little space.. Smile A good move I reckon..

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug 2011, 18:18    Post subject:  

gtk1 support(ed) a lot of languages, has a much smaller footprint and _had_ quite a few good apps. MTPaint uses less than half the resources, but he biggest difference I have seen though is in the gtk1 standalone flash player v6 (~8mb RAM footprint)

on another note, I thought I saw you post something about trying to compile urxvt smaller ... can't seem to find the post again but if so try mrxvt ... urxvt is bloated up C++ code and that alone tends to add 200+kb in puppy (no precompiled headers maybe?)
... I don't think my 73kb pet of mrxvt had NLS enabled but you can check it out here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=39133

here are my notes on how to get numbered tabs in mrxvt
Code:
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+++ mrxvt-0.5.4/src/init.c ..........set tabs to numbers
    /*
     * Set the tab title
     */
    if (IS_NULL(title)){
      title = DEFAULT_TAB_TITLE;
      sprintf(title,"%d",r->ntabs);
   }

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Sep 2011, 18:03    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
urxvt is bloated up C++ code and that alone tends to add 200+kb in puppy (no precompiled headers maybe?)
... I don't think my 73kb pet of mrxvt had NLS enabled but you can check it out here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=39133

here are my notes on how to get numbered tabs in mrxvt
Code:
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+++ mrxvt-0.5.4/src/init.c ..........set tabs to numbers
    /*
     * Set the tab title
     */
    if (IS_NULL(title)){
      title = DEFAULT_TAB_TITLE;
      sprintf(title,"%d",r->ntabs);
   }

I'm now running mrxvt, quite nice... No UTF-8 in mrxvt though... It is not yet supported, and I've no idea when it will be.. So I tried the 'mrxvt05utf8' version (a fork or off-shoot or whatever) and it segfaulted a lot... Sad I will try to build it a few ways, but it seems that its not at all stable

That is a shame because if I can get UTF-8 working in mrxvt that will be really nice.. And means I can do away with termit .. I've already got rid of aterm and urxvt..

Also, it got me thinking, what would I need to do to make changes to the actual default terminal - upgrading features and such... I'd ideally like elinks to run in 256 colours, with UTF-8 - when no X server is running... I also found 'mp', 'mc' and a few other terminal apps really nice..

I have re-compiled elinks to include a bittorrent client, and will probably remove puptransmission and transmissioncli - this will save around 200kb...

I am also interested in getting a high res terminal, or maybe one that can show VLC, mplayer, etc... Framebuffer or something... There is a 'framebufferwizard' but it seems not to work... And I know nothing on the subject..

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Also, I found something called cw that claims to colorize (colourise) the output of many commands ... I have attached below.. I cannot seem to make it do anything..

I have also attached dtach which gives you the 'detach' functionality from 'screen' ... It can be used with mrxvt.. more info
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Sep 2011, 19:30    Post subject:  

Suzy has a couple patches
https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=mrxvt-utf8&project=home%3Asdrahn

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep 2011, 18:38    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
Suzy has a couple patches
https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=mrxvt-utf8&project=home%3Asdrahn

I am loving mrxvt... I disabled extras like transparency, xft jpeg png etc at compile time.. I figured I would also disable all the GUI stuff in the config file, cos when using the terminals keybindings are much better - no need to switch back to the mouse... So I added a load of keybindings to the rc file...

Works great, really like it... Fast and convenient Smile
I added also a readme about mrxvt keystokes to /root/my-documents/quick-tips/

...I really hope the UTF-8 version/patches you linked to works OK, yet to try it, but will soon.. I forgot to add your tab rename patch, and really miss it - so I will re-compile anyway...

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Just an update... A new ISO will be up really soon...

As above, mrxvt replaces urxvt (removed completely), and termit (still installed)..

I've also added scliss, renamed as 'ezfind' - a great little CLI search tool by 01micko, that I just discovered Very Happy

Finally, Akita is using the Xorg binary from Wary so I have updated lots of Xorg modules like ati_drv.so, and so on... I stole them from Wary 512 - I hope this is not dumb, I do not htink the Xorg modules rely on kernel versions, do they??

The remastered version boots for me, using the 'nv' Xorg module, so it seems OK.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2011, 11:06    Post subject: Akita Linux.. BETA1
Subject description: Akita linux, new beta, sept 08 2011
 

EDIT: BETA2 now available, later in this thread...

New ISO uploaded: Akita Linux Beta 1, Sept 08 2011

Download mirrors: http://www.multiupload.com/SLG92MW8QI
(Size 87mb, md5: 5b6b43ea9cce68686f454337d38c33c0)

Changes since last time (akita alpha1):
- faster menus and many faster programs
- better default program choices and settings
- much better delayedrun, with nice flash installer
- more localisation of key programs
- more drivers in zdrv, updated Xorg modules
- cleaner menus, some new easier GUIs
- many programs updated to latest versions

Bugs not yet fixed:
- mrxvt still not UTF-8 enabled
- update the rest of Xorg to xorg-server-7.3-w5 package, and its deps
- still not added eduroam, quickpet or opengl-installer
- not yet updated help files
- update PPM, add filter for 'DEV' and 'NLS' packages (help wanted!!!)
- create zdrv_cutr GUI,
- update devx (a lot of updates needed, but normal 'devx_420.sfs' still works fine..)
- add MAC address settings to firstrun, maybe
- look into EduRoam GUI... (I didn't forget)
- custom help documentation, update 'puppyhelp'
- support localisation for JWMConfig, wizardwizard, input-wizard.. maybe puppyinstaller <-- help!
- remove unused libs and binaries - many leftovers: icons, gtk1, for example

Feedback welcome Very Happy

Things to test, if possible:

installation:
- frugal installer, puppy installer, browser installer, pupsaveconfig
- PPM and the wary 5 pets in the repo
- gparted, etc
- save file boot option pfix=delayedsave, forces pupmode=12 when pupmode=13 (disables saving to save file in real-time)

network:
- wireless (wifi) networking - PLEASE test this if you can.. it may be broken!
- pupdial, 3g modems, anything that needs wvdial
- samba-tng and tcsclient RDP working or not?
- mac changer working OK?

system:
- does elinks do its job? (html viewer, simple browser)
- termit to be replaced by faster UTF-8 terminal with working -e command? (urxvt -e not working)
- multimedia working OK?
- vlc-gtk working OK? any major problems?
- any problems with mplayer from PPM?
- any font or UTF-8 issues? (not including *rxvt terminal emulators)

hardware:
- test on netbooks, laptops, etc
- boot straight to desktop? xorgwizard working, if not?
- force feedback for joypads
- wacom and wizardpen drawing tablets

support and help:
- Menu>Help ... puppyhelp needs some fixes
- localisation, any missing translations, incorrect translations?
- important missing help docs? (I will also write a custom one, and get translations)

JWM/ROX desktop environment:
- test Menu>Setup>System>Toggle ROX Desktop
- test JWM-drives on the desktop, mounting unmounting stuff

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2011, 14:47    Post subject: quick_launch-1.0  

I tried quick_launch-1.0 on Akita and it worked great.
You should try it and see if you can get it to launch with
a Ctrl-shift-L keystroke combination.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=561839#561839

I am in the process of making the localization
(using Zigbert's method)

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2011, 17:40    Post subject: CW  

If you go to /usr/bin/cw/ and run the wrapper scripts from there, you will see the effects. (eg ./date). Some look better than others. Try 'free'.
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oligin10

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Location: Buckeye State, USA

PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2011, 09:54    Post subject: browser and flash installation, frisbee problems  

Hi Scott, not having a lot of time right now for Puppy, but wanted to give a couple of observations. First, Frisbee seems to have problems making connection. SNS works fine. I have had similar problems with other puplets and Frisbee. I am trying wireless setup with Atheros 5k pcmcia card. Also, Firedog 3.6 is shown in menu but not installed. It will install properly from browser installer. Flock does not install, says already installed. Midori and Opera seem to install fine. Flash installer does populate in installed pets. Flash 7 does not install at all. Flash 9 installed and says it will identify itself as Flash 10. Also, initial setup menu seems to be working properly now. Did not work at all in Akita Linux Alpha. Thanks again, Rob

THANKS, for all your hard work. I am really enjoying Akita and looking forward to the finished OS.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2011, 11:19    Post subject:  

Beta 1 upgrade ran smoothly. Even the savefile was upgraded automatically. Very Happy
The desktop showed conky in your white design, due to now having /root/.conkyrc instead of /etc/conky/conky.conf.


And since I read this honorable mention, sc0ttman....
Quote:

...wuweis conkyrc...


I took my conky config file and renamed it to .conkyrc. You can download the attachment and just replace the original .conkyrc with my version, if so desired.

Two things to watch out for:

Akita seems to support only one CPU. Therefore, I have commented out the second CPU, because Conky wouldn't start with that line active.
Second, anybody using my .conkyrc must change the partition lines to fit his disk geometry.

All else: Akita is getting to be a real gem!
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Sep 2011, 14:27    Post subject: review beta1  

I tried Beta1

Doesn't there need to be a software adjustment for the clock
for users who have a Linux-only machine?

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Would you install screenshotbrowser.sh? It's just a small script
to open the Screenshots folder and begin editing
with mtpaint

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=348958696&t=70996

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I've upgraded Quick Launch to version 1.1
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1012038050&t=71538

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Why don't you have baconrecorder installed?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=719366546&t=69237

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Sep 2011, 14:43    Post subject: pen html files  

It might be nice to open html files with elinks
when the icon is clicked.

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Sep 2011, 16:49    Post subject: Re: pen html files  

OK, so far I added libstdc5, wvdial is working, updated pfilesearch 1.26, picker 0.3, pupradio 0.14, I removed the 'flock' binary (which comes from the util-linux package, I believe), so adding Flock via browser-installer works again..
Hope it does not break anything...

I also tested Flash-get - Flash7 DOES download, it just takes a while.. And yes, all Flash libs are fake-updated to latest version, should not happen automatically, will fix this.

I also improved elinks_shell, tried out javascript in elinks (not worth it), failed to get a stable utf8 mrxvt, keeping termit - slow but works great otherwise... I am also not gonna mess with Frisbee, cos its beyond me!

I am now happy with the main system more or less, and just need to finally get onto making the QuickPet and OpenGL installer.. I will steal 01mickos code from Quickpet where needed, hopefully adjust his opengl installer to not require the .ids files in /usr/share Question

I would really appreciate people who use this BETA to offer up some more translations and help i18n the following programs:

- xserver-wizard, input-wizard, wizardwizard, jwmconfig, flash-get, delayedrun, and any more you like, plus the others I already listed above, and in main post.

don570 wrote:
It might be nice to open html files with elinks
when the icon is clicked.

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I have done the above, and added the apps you linked to... I have added a few fixes as well:

- screenshot-browser exits with message if no screenshots found
- baconrecorder loads retrovol in the background to avoid freezing

Not gonna add your bookmarks thing, yet, cos Akita already has custom JWM bookmarks, and auto mounted drive bookmarks for GTK.. But I might find an unobtrusive place for it.. Very Happy
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I also have your conkyrc working, wuwei ... it's edited a bit..

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Sep 2011, 00:10    Post subject: Flash 7  

Sorry about Flash 7, guess I didn't wait long enough. Thanks again, looking forward to spending more time next week with this. Regards, Rob
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