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Trobin

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2011, 15:54    Post subject:  

Should you have a text file that you wish made into a MP3 sound file, and have espeak installed, this will do the job
Code:
espeak -f file.txt --stdout | lame - file.mp3

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Sep 2011, 03:19    Post subject:  

This is an excersize to see if I can use Edbrowse to download a file. To keep the entry short, I will only list the essential bits

Commands used
b - browse internet - goto url
g - goto the first url/link on last line
w - save to file
{ } url or link

# edbrowse
b www.puppylinux.com - browse www.puppylinux.com
5549
430

29p - print to screen line 29
{Download Puppy}

g --go to Download Puppy page
18570
8422

30p --print to screen line 30
{ftp//distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/} | Optional! Make

g --go to above link
ftp download
ncftpget: use _R if you wantthe whole directory tree
ftp useage error

(Note - I had to install nftpd 3.20 to get this far)

# edbrowse
b www.puppylinux.com - browse www.puppy linux.com
5549
430

29p -- printy to screen line 29
{Download Puppy}

g --goto Download Puppy page
18570
8422

34p -- print to screen line 34
{http??distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux}

g -- go to linked page
20535
creatreElement defaulty script
all.tags default script
.
6457

15p -- print to screen line 15
{pet_packages-3/} | date and time etc.
g -- go to above link
119389
creatreElement defauly script
all.tags default script
.
44096

54p -- print to screen line 54 which happens to be linked to a program
{beaver-0.27.pet} | filetype etc.

g -- go to above link - start downloading program to buffer
.
binary data
134285

w beaver.pet -- save buffer as file
134285

The file was saved in the root directory.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Sep 2011, 16:03    Post subject:  

The following is my attempt to download a text file from Project Gutenberg, an archive of freely available files located at
http://www.gutenberg.org

I tried with both Lynx and Edbrowse

With Lynx
Quote:
g http:/www.gutenberg.org [enter]
(9) Book Search [enter]
Use down arrow to move to search field
Type “The Scarlet Pimpernel” into search field
Use arrow key to move to search button
(9) Download [enter]
Use down arrow to move to and highlight - 23 Plain Text UTF-8
d [enter]
1 save to disc [enter]
enter filename or select default [enter]
q [enter] to quit Lynx
locate file in ~/root and unzip


The above attempt was successful and I have a copy of the Scarlet Pimpernel.

The following attempts were with Edbrowse

This was with a search for The Scarlet Pimpernel
Quote:
edbrowse
edbrowse ready
b http://www.gutenberg.org
17504
4560
11p
downloads} · {Recently added} · {Report errors}
g1
20964
4451
7p
{Book Search}
g
8320
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
644
15p
{Titles} |Search by title.
g
15056
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1898
12p
Search Titles: <> <Search>
i = The Scarlet Pimpernel
Search Titles: < The Scarlet Pimpernel> <Search>
i*
submitting form
warning: http error 404, Not Found
807
162


the “i” command enters text into the first input box
the “i*” command submits the form and activates the first button in this case <search>

The file could not be found

So I thought I’d try another way, getting the file listed and page through to The Scarlet Pimpernel. It mifght have worked, but I tried with a few file with out any success. The following is an attempt to get a file -- any file.

Quote:
edbrowse
edbrowse ready
b http:/gutenberg.org
17504
4560
11p
downloads} · {Recently added} · {Report errors}
g1 -- goto first url/link
20964
4451
7p
{Book Search}
g
8320
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
644
15p
{Titles} |Search by title.
g
15055
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1898
13p
{Sort Alphabetically}
g
14140
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1883
42p
| {Next}
g
13837
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1934
43p
{Next}
g
13429
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1471
43p
{Next}
g
13487
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1534
43p
42p
{Next}
g
13650
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
1764
20p
{Abenaki Indians} |Frederic Kidder
g
16018
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
2157
11p
* {Download}
g
16033
createElement default div
..
createElement default script
2157
label download is not found


Each {next} represents a page. I didn’t have the patience to page through the entire list.

Now, any decent cli test readers out there?

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Oct 2011, 03:32    Post subject:  

I just petted a cutdown version of espeak that is < 400kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72589

I also wrote a program called reader that will output a file one line at a time as both text and audio ... it will even strip the tags from html

or if you don't need to see the text at all, there is speak_files

there are a couple of other scripts in there that are designed for accessibility: speak_clipboard and speak_input

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Atle

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Location: Oslo, Norway

PostPosted: Mon 15 Jul 2013, 14:36    Post subject: Great thread...  

But way old Sad

Whatever came out of this in "production"?

Doing some research on blind or visually impaired Open Source projects and came across ADRIANE(Knoppix) Vinux (Ubuntu Precise 12.04.2) and Sonar Linux.
(Debian "Wheezy")

I guess that apart from ADRIANE with its Knoppix, there are well known solutions based on Precise and Wheezy Smile


As I can not compare this to ANYTHING, please let me know if anything that is great for blind or visually impaired can be used in any versions of Puppy Linux as well.

A shame this thread has been dead for so long...

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013, 14:06    Post subject:  

Just getting this thread on my watchlist so I can pick my way through it...

This other new thread may also be of interest:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=88095
(early days yet but great potential)
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Aug 2013, 15:17    Post subject:  

Ah memories...
This was the first thread I ever posted in.
And I still haven't got round to mastering Edbrowse (but I do try now and again).
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Trobin

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Location: BC Canada

PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec 2013, 21:17    Post subject:  

"Way Old."

dunno if that was a comment on this thread dying out, or because I used Puppy 2.17 back then.

The following does work well on wary 5.5

A quick system that might work for you, and others , is a Puppy with Foksyfeyercore. It works fairly well with Wary Puppy 5.1.1. If it works with Lucid Puppy I have no idea.

You can get foksyfercore through this post
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26184&start=75

Install as per Mcewanw’s instructions.onfigure espeak to work with the language of your choice.

Use two windows. One for regular puppy applications.

In the other, open a terminal window, and run "ifoksy" and then “Foksy” and, after the menu appears, “p”

Do your work in the first window does not have to be done in a cli program, and when you need some thing read- highlight the text.

Go to the second window and enter c x. Remember the space between the c and the x. The highlighted text should then be read out.

I would suggest that only one terminal window be open, and do not close the terminal unless finished with Foksfeyer. I was unable to get the speach part working.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec 2013, 21:41    Post subject:  

Keef wrote:
Ah memories...
This was the first thread I ever posted in.
And I still haven't got round to mastering Edbrowse (but I do try now and again).


I haven'tr mastered it either.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec 2013, 11:30    Post subject:  

"I would suggest that only one terminal window be open, and do not close the terminal unless finished with Foksfeyer. I was unable to get the speach part working. "

I should have said that I was unable to get the speech part working after I had closed the terminal window down and then opened a new one, or had more than two terminal windows going.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Dec 2013, 00:43    Post subject:  

Don't know if anyone is still reading this, but I'm still poking around. Though my attempts, and interest, have had its ups and downs.

Wary Tiny has a few differences than earlier versions, and everything is not where I expected to find them.

When I want puppy to boot to the command line, I do so by removing the X symlink, and when I want X to work again, I merely type Xorgwizard to get it started. In the past, that has recreated the X symlink. On Wary Tiny it does not. The following bash file does work, if only in a quick and dirty way. The X symlink must be copied to the /root directory.

Code:
#!/bin/bash
cd /usr/bin
cp /root/X /usr/bin/X
xorgwizard
xwin

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Dec 2013, 05:24    Post subject:  

Definitely still watching. Anything that extends Puppy's usability and accessibility interests me...
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Dec 2013, 21:48    Post subject:  

Okay, I've uploaded speakpupcon.iso to Mediafire. Mainly because I wanted a backup of a basic concept of Speakpup. As in not on my computer. However if anyone wishes to play with it, it can be found at:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/2jjn1kcyv7hbp0a/speakpupcon

download and use at your own risk.

It is based on JRB's Barebones431 and weighs in at 65 megs.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1718113385&t=83841

It should open to a console type puppy, with a menu linking to the following programs.

1. EDBROWSE
This is a very powerful program. Created by Karl Dahl, who is blind, and, should I become blind, the program I would use. It does, however, have a very steep learning curve, which I haven't mastered. It also has a fairly active yahoo mailing list. Do a search of this thread for a lot of information, put there by Mcewanw, on how to use it. Also check the Make X apps speak thread.

2. Bash
Opens a bash shell

3. Lynx a text browser
4. Vi a text browser
5. Vifm a file manager
6. SC a spreadsheet.

Lynx, V1, Vifm, Sc, all use, or can be configured to use, vi keys for movement and other operations.

7. Irssi a chat program

8. Alpine an email program

9. Siren to play audio files

r. Reboot computer

p. poweroff

With the exception of Alpine, which I compiled from source, the iso was cobbled together using pet files located on the puppy linux forums. My thanks to the authors.

Should anyone wish to play with it, any set up will have to be done through the gui system. To get to that, press 2, at the menu, to open a bash shell. type xorgwizard and choose xorg or xvesa and set it up. If necesary type xwin to get the windowing system working. Set up what you need to set up. Use the file manger to go to /usr/bin/ and delete the X symlink. Reboot to get back to the original.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013, 00:49    Post subject:  

A while ago I was playing with a talking clock that I wrote which used wav files, I've created another using these files of Sneeky Linux who kindly donated his unique voice for my project.

The clock runs a daemon to monitor the mouse position using xdotool and the activation can be set for either of the four sides or corners of the screen, there is a delay of 5 seconds before the clock can be reactivated.

Anyway thought it might be of some interest, please try it, it could be refined more, I'm not that good at writing scripts.

Needs xdotools installed to work, I have it working in Wary 5.5, it is packaged for Carolina to download the xdotool dependency.

Get it from my dropbox https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26024684/sneeky_talking_clock-1.0.pet

Edit: re-uploaded pet, I packaged it in Wary which apparently didn't work as expected.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jan 2014, 00:42    Post subject:  

Did some minor testing today. To see just how far out of nthe social networking loop Speakpup users,if any exist anywhere, would be.

Edbrowse did not play nice with Facebook. Lynx and Links-2 objected strenuiusly, chiefly about ssl and certificates, but I did manage to get as far as the login pages. But no further.

Lynx did have some issues with twitter, mainly certificates, but from what I could tell, it works. Twitter works well in Links and Edbrowse.

Changed file managers from VIFM to Ytree. Which is more or less a single panel file manager, and when you use the arrow keys to highlight a file, espeak reads out the files immediately before it and the files immediately after it. Or at least bit did in the quick test I did.

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