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[Stripe]

hi all

as an experiment I am going to try using the internet without flashplayer, cookies blocked and javascript turned off in the browser

the first problem I have found is finding a free email provider that will work without javascript or cookies

I tried setting one up myself using a server that would also act as a email server but no emails could be sent to any of the major email providers, they just returned them without reason.

I have found a provider that will work but it displays adds on their free accounts (and I dont want to use adblocker in case they can track its signiture)

any ideas?
don

[nooby]

[jamesbond]

[dogle]

I dumped Phlashplayer a year or so ago, and really haven't missed it.

Surprised that, by implication, you've been running without cookies being blocked!

JavaScript seems a bit more difficult. Safe-mail.net used to offer free email accounts, without advertisements appended, which did not require JS - might be worth asking them. (They purport to be strong on security, so if they no longer do this that would seem to be a retrograde step).

[Stripe]

hi all

nooby I have gone with fastnet as I can access my emails without javascript or cookies, (but i needed another email address to activate the account) I am using seamonkey in slacko beta 2.

janesbond I was using smeserver via dyndns so that I could receive incoming traffic

dogle I normaly run accept cookies for session only so a restart of the browser clears all cookies, as well as better privacy for the flashplayer/lso cookies.

internet radio plays great, now I have two options for video, either to download them to hard drive using a seamonkey addon or see if vlc will stream them (I think it can play swf files)

cheers
stripe

[Bruce B]

Don,

There is a rule that a directory cannot hold a file and a directory of the same name. I'll explain in a bit how I've used this in the past.

Years ago, I found that some sites require cookies for this reason disabling cookies was inconvenient.

My experience comes from Netscape, but the same principles should hold true with today's Mozilla.

1) a directory cannot hold data as a file can, for example a directory called cookies.sqlite cannot hold data

2) data cannot be added to a read only file. You can set your Linux files read only with the chattr command.

A directory called cookies.sqlite would prevent the creation of a file called cookies.sqlite.

It seems to me that if the cookie permissions are set, a web site cannot tell that it is not successfully writing cookies. I think this is because it is reading and writing from cache.

I suggest you can use the information in this post to experiment and see if you can function as if cookies are enabled, yet have no cookies.

If it works, please write back, because I image others would be interested.


Bruce

[nooby]

[Dave_G]

I'm keen to know too.

[Stripe]

hi all

update: after trying bruces tip (thanks bruce) of replacing the file cookies.sqlite with a directory of the same name, when the browser was run it created a new file named cookies.sqlite and renamed the directory cookies.sqlite.bak (I think)

I am going to try altering the permissions next

cheers
don

[jpeps]

Neither of Bruce's ideas work. chattr only locks in permissions, so the file will still be written to in root. I tried providing a dir of the same name and running dillo; it went crazy and didn't load. Best idea I've come up with is to create a backup which gets automatically restored if any changes are made. If I want the changes, I just create a new backup before closing out.

[mcewanw]

An alternative to making a directory called "cookies.sqlite", which seems to work as suggested, would be to replace the regular file cookies.lite with a symbolic link called cookies.lite pointing to /dev/null:

[jpeps]

[big_bass]

this is my hack for that problem use this to clean up the extra files from browsers wasting space and memory

*all those files get rebuilt again anyway when you restart the browser

run the free command before and after to see the savings


Joe

[jpeps]

[nooby]

Hope I don't derail too much. One solution to Flash should be to find alternatives and has not that been talked about a lot.

HTML 5 or something that should be able to give a similar experience but not use Flash files.

But I know too little but does them not say that latest Chromium or Chrome browser has tested to use HTML 5 so would that be something for you to look into.

I mean you could use sfs versions of Chrome and that way only use it when needed? To not have it in pupsave file at all.

Or do as Beem and others do. Place all such things on the /mnt/home outside of pupsave.

But I know too little to give advices.