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ARM Raspberry Pi commitment
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qkall

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 13:53    Post subject:  

you know i knew that... just wasn't thinking (was at work and was typing and 'listening')
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 16:48    Post subject:  

guys check the thread a developer is looking into it!! Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 17:50    Post subject:  

qkall wrote:
the devs are very active on their forums ... so much so i'd be willing to bet they would be willing to help to get puppy to boot and/or donate a board for puppy.


They would be willing, once the boards ship. They're limited in how many they have for the purposes of board bring-up. I tried to offer my help to the cause (I've done board bring up for many, many years and I'm one of the early pioneers of embedded Linux development...) but they couldn't hand out one to me. (Not sour grapes...I can completely understand their position and I've been trying to get to a point where I could do things for them and the community without having a board...)

As it stands, I'm looking at what all is needed to get Puppy to run on most ARM platforms (Reconfiguration of some things like boot would be required for each...) and only available time seems to have kept me from getting it done at this point. Very Happy I should be able to vet my experiment here once I can actually get back to it this or next week shortly thereafter on my Beagleboard.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 19:07    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
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Getting a development board is not easy


May I be so pessimistic that that Dev Board only works on
a special version of Vista and not on Win7 Smile


Heh... Not even close. Twisted Evil

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What about this almost Linux Debian them already have for ARM
so why can we not make a Debian small distro that is "almost" a clone of Puppy?


If you re-work Bones a little bit, it would BE a Puppy- they have a Debian version already up on the R-Pi alpha boards, and Bones is designed to use Debian as one of it's source distributions.


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The $25 one have too small RAM memory. One need at least 512 and it has half of that. 1GB or more would be more ideal Smile


1) Those memory requirements are for an X86 machine trying to boot into a Live CD. You need less if you boot into an SD card or HD and have a bit of swapfile/swap partition help. You'd be surprised what you CAN do with that "little" a memory. The very first LiveCD (Yggdrasil Plug-and-Play...back in the earliest days of Linux...) could manage to run a full-on Linux in 64Mb of RAM and a CD-ROM, combined with a HD to cache things. We SHOULD be able to manage something similar, no?

2) The $35 one will have 256MB of RAM...

3) Later on versions may have more memory so long as PoP Memory devices go down in price for the Foundation. Right now, they only have access to the 128 and 256 MB PoP modules at the price-points they're working on.
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 21:43    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Yes, John is indeed a developer..
Look up MurgaLua..
But in Puppy land, he is Forum Admin...
Must correct you tho..
BarryK is the Dev of Wary...
The current Dev of the main Puppy is 01micko...

And if it will boot Debian, it will boot Puppy...

Could have many embedded uses..
But to me kinda seems like a smartphone without a screen, keyboard, sound, etc...
Cute yes, but useful??

However, Puppy ported to an ARM based phone/tablet...
Is this the path??

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 22:17    Post subject:  

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But to me kinda seems like a smartphone without a screen, keyboard, sound, etc...
Cute yes, but useful??

Very useful.
Getting a group of Puppy's to develop for one phone or tablet may
not be feasible any time soon.

We have to start somewhere . . . Cool

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However, Puppy ported to an ARM based phone/tablet...
Is this the path??


It is.
Barry originally designed Puppy to run from SD.
Puppy will become mobile and small again
It will be fun. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Oct 2011, 23:08    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
@Ed, have you seen this?
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02513
Maybe mobile devices will come to us???

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Oct 2011, 05:35    Post subject:  

Thanks Jay - yes read that Smile
The first run of 10 000 raspberry pi's will go very fast. There is a lot of interest. It is cheap. It works. It runs Linux. It is fun. Raffy is sending Barry one. We have Pi Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Oct 2011, 10:56    Post subject:  

Hey that is cool
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The first run of 10 000 raspberry pi's will go very fast.


So them are sure of that these will get sold? I am a pessimist.
If them sell fifty or so within a year? I would have felt over whelmed something Smile

10 000 is very cool and if all those people can get them running too
and some of them join that forum that would be nice to have a place
to get help.

I am not sure what to do. I love silent computing and
this one promise to have no fan what so ever on it?

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Oct 2011, 12:32    Post subject:  

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I am a pessimist

tsk tsk
I am a hypocritical pessimist.
I say the opposite of my doubts . . . Wink

The interest in this is very high.
Some geeks have even put down their pizza
and taken an extra swig of jolt . . .

I have an evil plan . . . Twisted Evil
Puppy + hardware. Smile
In the future we do not support everything
(been there got the t-shirt) - still available for the forseable future
We start to say:
'We are Puppy users and we will buy and use this hardware.'

Now we have Puppy Power . . .

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Oct 2011, 16:48    Post subject:  

Haha I feel for teasing you Lobster.

Saying is very cheap. To actually do something cost effort and talent. Smile

I am a True Pessimist (TM) Hahah, I have made the Ultimate Pessimist Linux.
"This Pessimist Linux OS will never boot in Full install.
You have to do a frugal install on NTFS and use Grub4dos
and please don't read the Pessimist Manual, it will only discourage you . Smile "

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Oct 2011, 02:28    Post subject:  

Yup, I am interested in running one of those with Puppy. If fact I suggested to the developers they look at Puppy before I came across this thread.
Many thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Oct 2011, 03:32    Post subject:  

Barry has mentioned the thread so we may get further interest Smile
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02541

The Aakash tablet will inspire a Chinese built large phone (basically all a tablet is) at a commodity price. By then the Aakash may be more than the yearly Indian vapourware announcements. The Indian government (like most of our 'leaders'*) could not order a chicken masala in a curry house. This Aakash (Aakash cow perhaps?) could be a while yet. Time during which we can play with a cheap arm motherboard . . .

*My 'government' for want of a better word, spent £12 billion on . . . vapourware . . . Shocked
http://news.techeye.net/business/mps-demands-end-to-government-it-disasters
The patients are having to sort it
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2041461/NHS-fiasco-boosts-patient-run-records-scheme.html

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Oct 2011, 09:17    Post subject:  

If anyone has the hardware (or at least something similar... including qemu) you may want to check out:

landley.net/aboriginal
Rob builds a full cross-compile linuxfromscratch environment that works in qemu
(I use the 586 build to make static uclibc multicall binaries)

The pupngo thread has most of my & goingnuts work on building a minimal bootstrap desktop environment (jwm, rxvt, ...) we don't run heavyweight daemons by default either.

Iirc, xvesa is fairly x86 specific, so you may need to check out jemimah's work with xvfb (puppy kernels have fbcon as a module, which requires some additional work)

Since there aren't really going to be any proprietary apps available, a build based on uclibc or musl libc makes sense IMHO alpine linux or openwrt are a good place for learning uclibc b/c that's all they do... but that brings us to needing replacements for flash (lightspark, gnash, swfdec...) and others(Skype, ...)

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Oct 2011, 12:53    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
If anyone has the hardware (or at least something similar... including qemu) you may want to check out:

landley.net/aboriginal

Seriously cool, thanks for the link !

Ironically I already ported murgaLua to ARM a while ago (to the FreeRunner), so chances are that'll be getting one of these devices to play with too (once they are available).

Cheers
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