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[Shep]

I find this thread compulsive reading, despite not understanding much. It reminds me of the time of gposil's frantic Dpup development 2 years ago, and I've been delighted that Iguleder has picked up the ball and is running with it.

Every time I scroll down through 'Derivatives' to find the Next Puppy thread I read it as "Dpup with Widow Maker" and reflect on the truth in that! Okay, I'm easily amused, but along with golfing widows, and rugby widows, judging by the productivity of some people here (not mentioning any names, of course), there must be quite a number of Puppy widows, too.

I'd just like them to know we appreciate their sacrifice.

[Iguleder]

It's fun, what can I say

I rebuilt the dpup base, now I'm rebuilding yesterday's testing build with the addition of GdMap and a small bug fix for the menu generator. Also, this time AbiWord's huge locales are trimmed too, so maybe we'll be able to stay below the 100 MB mark

By the way, 101 MB isn't that bad at all - Lucid is 128-129 MB without Xorg_High and a browser, which weight around 25-30 MB together in the case of Firefox. In fact, it's even smaller than Wary, which uses an older X to achieve its small size.

[Iguleder]

Still building ... here's a nice pie chart made in Gnumeric that shows each package's share of the total package size.

EDIT: I've got wbar down to a ~50 KB size and Openbox to around 185 KB. I'm trying to get tint2 to build - once I have it, I want to set up some minimalistic desktop that has a top panel with a window list and system tray and a dock at the bottom (wbar).

EDIT 2: it works! Here's a screeny of the WIP desktop. I want the next build to have this.

[Iguleder]

OK, time for some news!

I'm trying to accelerate dpup development even further.

At the moment, Woof does not handle multiple repositories. It just downloads all packages it sees that match a given package name. I'm working on a tool that makes Woof behave as expected: it just removes multiple entries of each package and keeps only the preferred one.

Also, I'm trying to write a tool that converts all Next Puppy's Debian base into PET packages, so it can be built just like Wary, which means Woof will be much faster now.

[superchook]

I haven't read all 31 pages of this thread but in case it has not been mentioned before there is a problem with the e3 editor in this puplet.
e3 segfaults when invoked as e3ne or e3pi. I'm not running Next Puppy at the moment so I cannot confirm the second case.

Trying to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf during the setup process fails as the editor does not open the xorg.conf file. This may be related to the failure of the e3 editor if this is the editor being called.

[Iguleder]

It's a very old package that wasn't built on dpup. I think I'll rebuild it, thanks.

EDIT: I'm done implementing the most important feature of the next version - I added the Debian backports repository and added support for it in Woof. Instead of the old X (which was 7.5), Xorg 7.6 from Debian testing is backported.

Here are the new packages that will be used:

[nooby]

Jay very good choice Shows how important it is to report even on such


minor things as one thing going wrong even if all other things just works.
Now that one got solved and Nano is a known such progr so that is cool.

Just me rambling. I love following your progress building this version.
Like being part in a Novel or book forming under ones eyes. Charming

[Iguleder]

Another progress report: I built a 103 MB flavor with everything (including office applications, Dia, etc') and E16.

Now I wrote a build script for Pidgin (which replaces XChat) and replaced the E16 desktop with the much smaller combination of Openbox, wbar and tint2, so I assume it won't be bigger than 105 MB

[pemasu]

Iguleder. Your next build sounds really promising. I will be amongst the testers and probable candidate for using your new specs as base for somewhat bigger puplet also.
Thanks of your continuing involvement.

[Iguleder]

There is a big project I'm working on at the moment - it's a Exprimo-style puplet (i.e full-featured and not minimalistic) that is about 105 MB

I'm doing the Woof build at the moment, once it's ready X needs some testing. An automated build of my new puplet will follow

EDIT: Openbox, tint2 and wbar, did I mention?

[stu90]

Hi Iguleder,
Regarding Opnbox - here is a simple modification i used to make openbox mini right click menu with custom quick launchers at top with normal puppy menus in Apps.
Only relies on the /root/.config/openbox/ menu_top.xml and menu_bottom.xml files so no major menu hacking.

[Iguleder]

Nice, I like it

I might change my menu generator so it puts all applications in an "Applications" sub-menu.

[soundNICK]

iguleder... whoa... Ive been messing with NEXT for several days... Im s-oooo glad you did this "wmakerPup" ! Wmaker is an old favorite... really old... I was using it in 1997 if thats a clue.

Ive also just tried wbar (from another iguleder thread)... looking forward to adding wbar to my NEXT install !

thanks for being a minimalist !

[Iguleder]

Glad to hear

I want to make a new version based on Guy Dog (with Window Maker instead of Openbox, tint2 and wbar) after the next release of Guy Dog, which will be 5.0.1, nothing but a bug fix release.

[soundNICK]