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#41 Post by Lobster »

because the performance isn't what we are used to with intel compatible hardware
That I feel is a legitimate concern. Whether it is an issue, will depend on the results we get . . .

A dpup (at the moment) seems the most likely Puppy bootstrap environment. :)

I do not want a portable device with a built in toaster. :shock:
Intel run hot. :oops:
Arm runs efficiently and longer. So this Pi is a static device but the idea is to move towards a viable mobile device when we have a cheap clear indication of what will get support. It may be the aakash device, however I somehow doubt that.

The idea of a 100 processor server might also inspire a further development of an Intel powered distributed Pup server. There was such a project . . .

The nature of the PARM ISO is dependent on the initial developer. I for one will make an effort to run the first compiles.

What happens next is anyones guess . . . 8)

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#42 Post by technosaurus »

I _really_ don't like being frustrated. By the time one gets a working arm base, the whole infrastructure changes. Apple has it easy, they control their hardware, so they know what optimizations to work on and can actually eak out some performance. We don't have that luxury and you can't get any kind of performance with a "generic" arm build. A gentoo-style base could remedy much of this, but not what users are used to (self build vs. plug 'n pray) and not even gentoo has all of the necessary ARM use flags.

I could go through all of the problems, but noone wants to hear me bitch about how fragmentation in software _and_ hardware is bad and then get off on a forking tangent. So I will leave you with google to understand why you can't really reach the percentages of ARM systems with Puppy the way you can x86 (it has been done to death).

The only platform I _can_ envision for developing a workable system would be to compile the whole system (binaries, libraries, etc...) into llvm bytecode and initial boot into some kind of virtual machine where byte code is compiled to native instructions on the fly as programs are run (similar to how python's .pyo files are generated) This would completely eliminate the need to go multiarch (in other words any system supported by LLVM could run it) ... so if anyone is already working on this type of universal linux, let me know and I'm in.
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#43 Post by sickgut »

what technosaurus said about the performance is true

android is highly optimized for ARM and kinda works at an acceptable speed, but no matter how much effort you put into a linux for ARM there is no way we can get it optimized like Apple have for their hardware or what android have unless we have a team of people making something from scratch

im not saying give up... im saying challenges will have to be faced.
also the raspberry might just surprize us all.
untill its released i can only comment on my own ARM experiences

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#44 Post by sickgut »

ARRRRRGHHH!!!

this is painfull!!! waiting for a product to be released so we can begin work on it... its not Nov 6th yet... someone please make it Nov 6th....

tell you what if someone can make it Nov 6th right now..., ill buy then 2 raspberries and send them to you.... someone please just make it in the future when raspberry is released, plz plz plz plz plz plz.......

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#45 Post by darkcity »

I can make it 6th Nov but not for a few days.

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#46 Post by Lobster »

this is painfull!!!
You'll survive 8)
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I would look into the ARM emulation options
and see how much preparation is possible . . .
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#47 Post by Bert »

darkcity wrote:I can make it 6th Nov but not for a few days.
from the wiki:
Availability

Estimated availability (as of 25th October 2011) is December 2011. Initially, there will be shipping from the UK and possibly the US, but will probably expand with local distributors by the second quarter of 2012.
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
[url=https://startpage.com/do/search?q=host%3Awww.murga-linux.com%2F][img]http://i.imgur.com/XJ9Tqc7.png[/img][/url]

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#48 Post by qkall »

yeah you guys got me all hot and bothered about nov 6! jerks.

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#49 Post by Lobster »

Estimated availability (as of 25th October 2011) is December 2011
That is my understanding as the expected/earliest possibility.
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Does anyone know if Ångström intend to build for Pi (a bootstrapping option)?
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What is the current status of KISS AmigoLinux from Amigo?
This has some plans for ARM I believe?
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#50 Post by raffy »

Guess what, Puppy is in, see Liz' comment.
[quote]Raffy Mananghaya on October 28, 2011 at 11:18 pm said:

Congratulations!

Of course the Puppy Linux community’s tail is wagging at your references to Eben as “bushy tailed
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#51 Post by technosaurus »

I was a little skeptical before, but now that I know Liz is a fan of They Might Be Giants...

there has to be a howto for turning a usb cable and an rca dongle into a makeshift usb monitor using any tv with an rca input
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#52 Post by Lobster »

i suggest a puppy with a raspberry pi logo as the nose!
I tried that. Also tried it on the eye - it was good for Halloween, but too scary for nooby. At least one real artist (as opposed to the claw fisted moi) is working on a logo/wallpaper . . . :)

Have you set up server software yet?
You could use Wikka 1.3.2 and then the existing wiki page would be easy to mirror and eventually lead to independence . . .
http://wikkawiki.org/HomePage

My plan is a PARM matchbox device, with rechargeable batteries.
. . . you might want to power a robot . . . or develop an in car device . . .
Eventually we will be able run a server from an ARM smartphone . . .

On x86 we have to support a variety of hardware (that will continue - I want a Puppy 64bit and Wary etc)

Pi means support for one processor, one multimedia device
That is a start

What is being done here is different.
With the right price and feature set, we will commit to a device.
The tablet and mobile market is volatile, at the moment there would be no consensus of developers and testers/users.

With Pi we have developers and users practically rabid with anticipation . . . :shock:
Even the more cautious are coming around . . .

We are going right back to the hardware.
Fun for the whole kennel

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#54 Post by qkall »

Lobster wrote: Have you set up server software yet?
You could use Wikka 1.3.2 and then the existing wiki page would be easy to mirror and eventually lead to independence . . .
http://wikkawiki.org/HomePage
is this directed towards me? if so i haven't (honestly thought i was getting ignored on that.. figured you guys must of already had some sort of server room), but i can... i have the option to easily install (clicking with fantastico) tikiWiki CMS/Groupware & PhpWiki. but if you prefer wikka i can as well just might take me a bit to either figure it out or let the host do it for me (he's a nice dude and will probably do it for me).

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#55 Post by stu90 »

Sounds pretty cool - could have it hooked up to a HDTV with a nice looking Conky Lua with weather, time, RSS and use it as a internet radio player or big picture frame etc.
Wonder if you could use one of these with it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rii-Mini-i6-2 ... 3f0d68e038

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#56 Post by qkall »

stu90 wrote:Sounds pretty cool - could have it hooked up to a HDTV with a nice looking Conky Lua with weather, time, RSS and use it as a internet radio player or big picture frame etc.
Wonder if you could use one of these with it?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rii-Mini-i6-2 ... 3f0d68e038
i was looking for one of these for my pi as well actually... well the older model i think... and they say they're linux compatible (and list older releases) so.. i don't see any reason it wouldn't work (unless the pi kernel will need patch with whatever modules)

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#57 Post by Lobster »

is this directed towards me?
Yes indeed. :)
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#58 Post by qkall »

okay woudl you prefer using wikka or are the other two options viable? haven't used any of them so lol.

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#59 Post by Lobster »

I'd prefer the wikka wiki :)
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#60 Post by raffy »

technosaurus wrote:I was a little skeptical before..

there has to be a howto for turning a usb cable and an rca dongle into a makeshift usb monitor using any tv with an rca input
What I know is that the R-Pi is TV-ready (has HDMI, too).

Or perhaps I did not understand the pun?
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