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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 17:08    Post subject: Re: Kernel  

jemimah wrote:
I think booting from usb and then suspending is going to be a problem depending on whether the BIOS of your machines leave power on to the usb port during suspend or not. I've had machines where the built in usb cardreader works great after suspend, but the usb ports do not.

Yes, power on the USB is cut but aufs has no problem with this.
With unionfs I get I/O errors on wakeup. Looks like the power interruption messes up the layering of unionfs.
So, aufs is a good choice. Only that Barry is using unionfs with its 3.x.x kernels...

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 18:28    Post subject: Re: Kernel  

mavrothal wrote:
Only that Barry is using unionfs with its 3.x.x kernels...


Really? I hadn't noticed, I guess it's improved a lot since I tested it last.
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 18:30    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:
Barrys latest busybox-1.19.3-w5c.pet which is in Racy, I think, has busybox with powertop included. Compiled in.
Code:
# cd /bin
# for x in `./busybox |grep ,|grep -v Â` ;do echo ${x%,}; done | grep powertop
powertop


Does not work for me...but just decided to post if others want to test.


Yep there it is. Now if only the cpufreq_stats module were there. Sad
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pemasu


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 18:37    Post subject:  

About Barrys reasons to use unionfs. Shinobar reported that 3.1.0 kernel with aufs didnt have that booting from usb and installing the pet problem. So...not so sure if aufs has bugs with Puppy.

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02545

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02546

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02553
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 18:48    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
jemimah wrote:
Here's a preliminary list of changes I would like to make.

Remove (redundant, unnecessary, not user-friendly, or better in repo):


Replace:
urxvt - lxterminal <-- does lxterminal fully replace urxvt? When I tried other terminals that weren't rxvt based, we lost certain functions, If I remember correctly the puppy package manager stopped working.
epdfview - evince <--- this is a great tradeoff, and bring better functions, like opens comic books, but it does add some weight like gconf, and if were adding gconf, then why use galculator? Gcalctooll is way better and also makes use of gconf Smile, its really linux's best somewhat small calculator.
cgtkcalc - galculator

ttuuxxx


gcalctool segfaults when you try to put it in financial mode.

Code:
 gcalctool
GLib-GIO-Message: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend.  Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications.
** (gcalctool:9542): DEBUG: Downloading rates from the IMF...
** (gcalctool:9542): DEBUG: Downloading rates from the ECB...

** (gcalctool:9542): WARNING **: Couldn't download IMF currency rate file: Operation not supported

** (gcalctool:9542): WARNING **: Couldn't download ECB currency rate file: Operation not supported

** (gcalctool:9542): WARNING **: Failed to read exchange rates: Failed to open file '/root/.cache/gcalctool/rms_five.xls': No such file or directory

** (gcalctool:9542): WARNING **: Cannot use ECB rates as don't have EUR rate
** (gcalctool:9542): DEBUG: Rates loaded
** (gcalctool:9542): DEBUG: Downloading rates from the IMF...
** (gcalctool:9542): DEBUG: Downloading rates from the ECB...
Segmentation fault


It looks pretty similar to galculator to me. Is there some reason why it's better?
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scsijon

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 19:08    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:

It looks pretty similar to galculator to me. Is there some reason why it's better?


I couldn't find one, when I was trying dozens of apps out for qtpuppy, stuck galculator in as the 'standard'.

EDIT:
galculator's main features include

Algebraic mode, RPN (Reverse Polish Notation), Formula Entry mode and Paper mode
decimal, hexadecimal, octal and binary number base
radiant, degree and grad support
arithmetic precedence
Basic and Scientific Mode
user defined constants
user defined functions

Other features are

trigonometric functions
power, square root
natural and common logarithm
inverse and hyperbolic functions
memory functions
logical operations
display RPN stack
preferences dialog/configuration file
display modules
X pasting
i18n
configurable variable type in HEX/BIN/OCT mode
thousands separator


Not sure if we need anything else, but the group is open to additional sugestions.

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ggg

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 20:00    Post subject:  

Deleted - as duplicated point made above,
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 20:02    Post subject:  

Some more pets.

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/fbreader-0.12.10-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/galculator-1.3.4-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/gstpw-0.1-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/lxtask-0.1.4-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/putty-0.60-2010-09-10-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/sven-0.6-i486.pet
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 21:01    Post subject:  

And some more:

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/gadmin-sshd-0.0.1-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/gtk-splitter-2.2.1-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/turma2-0.3.1-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/uget-1.8.0-i486.pet
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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 22:02    Post subject:  

Ok a few more:

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/sgtt-0.1.2-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/lsalarm-0.85-i486.pet

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/gworldclock-1.4.4-i486.pet
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov 2011, 22:29    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
Here is evince and dependencies:

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/dbus-1.4.16-i486.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/dbus-glib-0.98-i486.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/GConf-3.2.3-i486.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/evince-2.32.0-i486.pet



Dev libs are here:
http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/dbus_DEV-1.4.16-i486.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/GConf_DEV-3.2.3-i486.pet
http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/saluki/pets/dbus-glib_DEV-0.98-i486.pet


I built GConf with static orbit. Evince includes djvu, pdf, and comic support, but not dvi, ps, or impress.


Last time I compiled evince it was 50% smaller than yours you compiled above back in march and also I included comic,pdf,impress
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=505950#505950
I don't see a need to compile Orbit statically this just add extra weight. On 2.14x I have orbit just built as shared, and it works fine, It could be the reason why gcalctool segfaults for you in financial mode and works fine in 2.14X. Orbit is only about 400kb expanded in 2.14X, Oh also you don't need the latest Gconf or Orbit to compile the latest apps, they don't usually check for version numbers, When I compiled the latest evince back in march this year my Gconf/Orbit was over 2 yrs old, Like everything else if you can get away with a stable older version usually its a go to save file size, 2.14x has libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 <--191kb expanded and libORBit-2.so.0.1.0 <--306kb expanded
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 00:03    Post subject:  

if i can venture my toe onto this hallowed turf.

if you have racy as a base, then adding/click installing lupify slacko pet from playdayz will take you in leap and bounds towards where you want to be

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 01:23    Post subject: Synaptics  

Another thing that might need a second look besides unionfs, in the Racy base is the synaptics Xorg module.
I do not know if it is a T2 or a particular configuration/compile issue but if you try to force a fall-back to PS2 mode in a _supported_ device, it crashes. The fall-back can be useful if synaptics does not work well with a particular hardware and puppies like Lupu and Slacko can handle it fine. Racy does not Confused

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 11:50    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:


Last time I compiled evince it was 50% smaller than yours you compiled above back in march and also I included comic,pdf,impress


Yes, djvu is huge. I think we can split the plugins into separate pets but I don't see a need at this point. (I did find a couple of libs I forgot to strip - saved a few kb, I've uploaded the new version.)

ttuuxxx wrote:


I don't see a need to compile Orbit statically this just add extra weight.


It's smaller to compiler statically if you just have one prog that needs a particular dependency, because unneeded bits of the dep are not included and you don't need to export the symbols. The only reason to compile dynamically is to avoid redundancy if you have many programs that depend on a particular library.. Static compilation also speeds up program load times, saves the user from having to hunt down compatible libs, and you can upx the resulting big executables which tends to be better compression than what you get from gzip or SFS.

ttuuxxx wrote:

Like everything else if you can get away with a stable older version usually its a go to save file size, 2.14x has libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 <--191kb expanded and libORBit-2.so.0.1.0 <--306kb expanded
ttuuxxx


I hesitate to mix and match really old programs with really new ones since the developers never test this combo. I do remember having problems compiling with my old version of dbus in fluppy - I think it was bluetooth that complained about it. I'm just not that worried about a few KB.

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 11:55    Post subject: Re: Synaptics  

mavrothal wrote:
Another thing that might need a second look besides unionfs, in the Racy base is the synaptics Xorg module.
I do not know if it is a T2 or a particular configuration/compile issue but if you try to force a fall-back to PS2 mode in a _supported_ device, it crashes. The fall-back can be useful if synaptics does not work well with a particular hardware and puppies like Lupu and Slacko can handle it fine. Racy does not Confused


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