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5.3 can't find SFS files
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tytower

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2011, 16:51    Post subject:  5.3 can't find SFS files  

Gee I'm getting a lot of faults with 5.3.
It wont find the java installation installed by Pet
I have downloaded 3 sfs files for development,java and LibreOffice.
When I go to bootloader setup for sfs files it says it does not have any
See screenshot below

It seems to me that the sfs files have actually loaded but certainly the java runtime environment can't be found and also the development files for compiling arn't being found either .

This all works in 5.28 so whats been changed affecting this ?
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Doglover

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 00:18    Post subject:  

Where did you save the .sfs files to?
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tytower

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 05:14    Post subject:  

When you download the sfs files with the "Slickpet" you do not get asked where you save them to .

It downloads them to /temp
You get a message that they are installed and the ".pet" file is in temp if you wish to save it .
I did this and saved the pet file to my own Download directory

Now also I have all the .sfs files saved in the "/" directory too and I have the same .sfs files saved in my Download directory too.

I have looked and Puppy has set up an icon in /mnt for +mnt+home+devx slacko and one for +root+devx_slacko_5.3.sfs and some other mnt+sdc1+lupusave.2fs that I just don't understand why they are there as my usb stick with 5.28 is not plugged in ?

The only drive plugged at this time is Harddrive sda1
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 05:35    Post subject:  

Reading here I get a hunch that maybe you try to outsmart slacko
in some way.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=586690#586690

If slacko fail to use the devs then I would look for
if them are for same kernel and same version of Slacko?
Or for Lupu and same version of lupu and I would
see if I use the right codes in the menu.lst so it does not
boot using the wrong save file.

But maybe I get misled by lack of English fine tuning.
Assumptions on how something work can be misleading.
if things fails then one can go back and follow the directions
of the Devs and then report to them what exactly one did.

Now you get our more random answers. Unless some of the
Slacko Devs happen to find this thread?

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 06:04    Post subject:  

First, from the looks of your /mnt directory, you evidently either have a number of things mounted, or you failed to unmount them before a reboot or shutdown.
If you click on them and they show up as empty, you can safely delete them.

Now on to the other problem with the SFS files failing to be found.

You have two options here.
The first is to move them from where ever you have them to /mnt/home.
Then they will be found.
I also remember seeing a post about an SFS directory load utility with the SFS files being in a directory you chose from. But I forgot where I saw it on the forum.

To find that java installation, in your root directory, click on the EYE to show hidden files.
Then navigate to a directory called ".packages"
In that directory are some text files with the names of the installed packages.
Find the one with java in the name and open it to fine the locations the files were installed to.


So move those SFS files to /mnt/home.
I am not sure if you could leave them where they are at and make system links to them in /mnt/home.

That would actually be nice in that one could keep them in the same directory as the frugal install of Puppy.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 07:38    Post subject:  

8-bit maybe you talk about seaside's SFSexec-dir or something?
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I also remember seeing a post about an SFS directory load utility with the SFS files being in a directory you chose from. But I forgot where I saw it on the forum.


The problem is that we have two kinds of sfs files don't we.

those that are part of the puppy boot like lupu-528.sfs
and slacko-5.3.sfs and then we have devs xxx sfs
are them to be placed in the directory like this

1. lupupuppy dir where you have lupu_528.sfs and the devs sfs
2. slackopuppy dir where you have the slacko_53.sfs and sfs for slacko version of Devs.

So what the OP talk about here could be the dev sfs for lupu getting mixed into the slaco dev sfs? I fail to sort it out so I most likely
leave this thread to people getting it. So I am not writing rub-bush Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec 2011, 07:49    Post subject:  

Hmmm... slickpet ONLY downloads pets to /tmp. SFS are downloaded to their appropriate place dependent on PUPMODE. It's identical in Lupu, I know I wrote the code.

I fear you may have errors on your HDD. Add pfix=fsck to your kernel line in your grub menu.lst or boot the cd with that parameter to check errors.

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tytower

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 06:08    Post subject:  

Thank you all
8-bit wrote:
First, from the looks of your /mnt directory, you evidently either have a number of things mounted, or you failed to unmount them before a reboot or shutdown.
If you click on them and they show up as empty, you can safely delete them.

They were all empty so I deleted them ,thanks

Now on to the other problem with the SFS files failing to be found.

You have two options here.
The first is to move them from where ever you have them to /mnt/home.
Then they will be found.
See screenshot again- the files are in "/" and also in "/mnt/home"

I also remember seeing a post about an SFS directory load utility with the SFS files being in a directory you chose from. But I forgot where I saw it on the forum.
Yes there is a load on the fly but when I tried that it said the sfs files were already loaded

To find that java installation, in your root directory, click on the EYE to show hidden files.
Then navigate to a directory called ".packages"
In that directory are some text files with the names of the installed packages.
Find the one with java in the name and open it to fine the locations the files were installed to.
I found them in /opt I see LibreOffice also puts its files there. Nothing in the .packages files told me where they were installed but I did find it listed twice - one for the java install I did and one for the sfs load . I think I will get rid of one

So move those SFS files to /mnt/home.
I am not sure if you could leave them where they are at and make system links to them in /mnt/home.

That would actually be nice in that one could keep them in the same directory as the frugal install of Puppy.
The files are already there


Nooby --you are having translating difficulties and I cannot understand what you are talking about . Main point is "SFS" files are in "mnt/home but the bootloader choice to load them says they are not .
01micko - this does not happen when I use 5.28 so there is an unintended difference somewhere . I added "puppy pfix=fsck" anyway
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 06:45    Post subject:  

From the looks of your / and /mnt/home directory contents being the same, it looks like you did a full install of Puppy and not a frugal install.
To test for example if you have the devx SFS file loaded, open a terminal and type "make".
If you get "command not found" then the devx file is not loaded.
If you are going to do some compiling of drivers, I would suggest you get the kernel source SFS for Slacko.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 07:01    Post subject:  

I get

: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
#
so its loaded
Quote:
I would suggest you get the kernel source SFS for Slacko

Just to be sure I went back and downloaded it again -the third or fourth time now and all for 5.3 Slacko.

This message continues to come up
"Sorry, there are no SFS files in directory /mnt/home
(or they all have the wrong '*_nnn.sfs' version number)
You will need to download and place one there first."
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 07:17    Post subject:  

tytower

please run the atached tarball script and post the resulting "testing.log.gz" file here please. It will give me valuable debugging info.

A suggestion.. right click on the java sfs and choose "sfs_load", tell us what happens

EDIT: This looks like one of these "save to entire partition" "frugal" installs (PUPMODE=6.. 8-bit, just for reference there is no "mnt/home" in a full install, but you knew that Wink .), still uses the layered filesystem. The fact that the devx is loaded tells me you did something out of the ordinary with the java sfs. We recommend not using the bootmanager to load sfs but use sfs_load. If sfs load is failing then it's a bug of sfs_load and should be reported here.

Your usb install in Lupu is completely different and had you done the same type of install with any Puppy and followed the exact same procedures the same problems will have occurred, so this is not a Slacko bug, but possibly a woof bug, if it is a bug.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 07:56    Post subject:  

What I got was

# ./test_sfs.sh

ls: cannot access /initrd/mnt/dev_save: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /initrd: No such file or directory
#

Yes it is a full instal to the hard drive for 5.3 but via universal installer to the usb stick for 5.28

Testing log I expanded and not sure how to get back atm
It gave this
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PUPMODE=2
#ATADRIVES is all internal ide/pata/sata drives, excluding optical, excluding usb...
ATADRIVES='sda '
#ATAOPTICALDRIVES is list of non-usb optical drives...
ATAOPTICALDRIVES='sr0 '
PUP_HOME='/'
PDEV1='sda1'
DEV1FS='ext2'
----------------------

---------------------


---------------------

done

Oh btw I have the java files loaded too I find even though none of them are showing in /mnt/home ?

But you say /mnt/home should not be there on a full install anyway.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 07:59    Post subject:  

Ok, then perhaps it is a full install.. I need to know the pupmode to be certain.. can you run
Code:
cat /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE
please?
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 08:13    Post subject:  

Bootmanager will not load your sfs. You can try sfs_load but if that fails then open Slickpet >> the Sfs_grabber tab then drag and drop the sfs file in the entry box.. it should decompress the sfs and install, you can uninstall later from Puppy Package Manager
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Dec 2011, 08:27    Post subject:  

Mm thats interesting and confusing . Seemed to work OK with dev sfs , created a + dev sfs icon and if I click on that there are the right files in it .(when I rebooted they were gone but the sfs icons were still there

The java it did the same but when I click on it there are no files in it so perhaps it hides them in /opt
I did the right click/sfs load and got "they were already loaded"
Thanks .01micko

While you are there do you know where I can download avr-g++ from in a version or package that will install to puppy 5.3 ok ?
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