ARM Raspberry Pi commitment

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#81 Post by sickgut »

i cant help feeling this is a product that will be delayed and delayed till hell freezes over

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new arm computer

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This computer looks like a ripoff of an
idea from the raspberry pi people

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/ ... umb-drive/

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/11/21/s ... g-android/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PiJeiaM ... r_embedded

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closeup picture of computer

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#84 Post by Lobster »

Barry is working towards ARM with woof2 . . .
. . . had a go with woof2 myself . . .
http://puppylinux.info/topic.php?id=94

Next year Puppy will be 64 bit, ARM power will be available
and Saluki is solikely

It must be Christmas 8)

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#85 Post by don570 »

First picture of a populated board.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/

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#86 Post by Lobster »

Thanks don570

HO HO HO one might say,
Do please save some of your hard earned Christmas money to buy one of these (when available).

The plan depends on your commitment.
Puppy optimised for ARM and Pi
and then as soon as it emerges we can transfer to a cheap and abundant complete mobile device.
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#87 Post by technosaurus »

I recently compiled qemu 1.0 and have the ARM version stashed away. If somebody wants to send me a reminder next week, I can post a pet when I return home.
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#88 Post by nooby »

Guys, be patient with the old fool Nooby now.
You know I am almost a Dummie when it comes
to getting code or set ups or how things work.

But the following seems totally wrong to me.

Maybe that user understand teh words differently
than what I do.

read here.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/featur ... -usb-stick

Angry Pict asks the thread and JamesH who is one of the admins answer

Angry Pict
So can you put Puppy (or similar) on the SD and direct boot from it?
JamesH
I believe that should be possible – this just a replacement of the debian (or whatever) compressed file with the puppy one on the root of the SD card.
How are Debian supposed to help Puppy to boot?

Debian do have code for ARM.
Puppy would need to be absolutely ARM-ified and that is not as easy
as it may sound to some of us.

Okay the Russian Puppy folks has come a long way but they still have
no working Windows Manager like JWM or any like that working?

What one would need is a Puppy that works like Debian do?
Debian are Multi User while Puppy are Single user and Puppy have
Aufs or what the name is. Layers that Debian don't have.

Knoppix also have AUfs or what term there is so puppy and knoppix
are unusual in that way?

Is it something that I miss? One OS can not start another
unless you have virtual boot for the second one but with so
little RAM that is not possible.

could someone explain what is going on. I doubt these two get
what is needed?

I know nothing about what the Russian team has accomplished
so I may totally have misunderstood. Maybe they have worked out
something very useful? That would be a good thing.

But that is not what the text here refers to. Another question.
Does the Russian Puppy then only have russian keyboard and display?
Or is it bilingual?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#89 Post by sickgut »

nooby wrote:Guys, be patient with the old fool Nooby now.
You know I am almost a Dummie when it comes
to getting code or set ups or how things work.

But the following seems totally wrong to me.

Maybe that user understand teh words differently
than what I do.

read here.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/featur ... -usb-stick

Angry Pict asks the thread and JamesH who is one of the admins answer

Angry Pict
So can you put Puppy (or similar) on the SD and direct boot from it?
JamesH
I believe that should be possible – this just a replacement of the debian (or whatever) compressed file with the puppy one on the root of the SD card.
How are Debian supposed to help Puppy to boot?

Debian do have code for ARM.
Puppy would need to be absolutely ARM-ified and that is not as easy
as it may sound to some of us.

Okay the Russian Puppy folks has come a long way but they still have
no working Windows Manager like JWM or any like that working?

What one would need is a Puppy that works like Debian do?
Debian are Multi User while Puppy are Single user and Puppy have
Aufs or what the name is. Layers that Debian don't have.

Knoppix also have AUfs or what term there is so puppy and knoppix
are unusual in that way?

Is it something that I miss? One OS can not start another
unless you have virtual boot for the second one but with so
little RAM that is not possible.

could someone explain what is going on. I doubt these two get
what is needed?

I know nothing about what the Russian team has accomplished
so I may totally have misunderstood. Maybe they have worked out
something very useful? That would be a good thing.

But that is not what the text here refers to. Another question.
Does the Russian Puppy then only have russian keyboard and display?
Or is it bilingual?
hi nooby

JamesH is just saying that to get puppy to work you simply delete the debian OS on the SD card and then copy to the SD card the Puppy OS.

ofcause we will need to have a working Puppy compiled for the ARM setup to get it to work.

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#90 Post by nooby »

That could be what he intended to say and me reading too much into it?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#92 Post by arcanis »

A great read. However, I also clicked the link near the bottom about the "$35 Tablet in India" and discovered this little gem in the middle:
---While originally presented as a Linux device, the prototype on the show runs on Android (and handles the operating system "fairly smoothly," the surprised Gurus say).==
I don't think people will ever learn that Android IS Linux!

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#93 Post by technosaurus »

Android is Linux the way SeaMonkey is FireFox.
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#94 Post by amigo »

arcanis, you haven't read enough. android uses a *forked* version of the linux kernel, so it is not linux any more. At first, they co-operated with the kernel devs and tried to have their code included in the main-line kernel. At that time, you could check out the official kernel sources and produce an android kernel.

But, they could/would not meet the requirements of the kernel devs, so they simply forked the kernel and now make changes without any regard to the main kernel developments. You cannot take the android sources and create a linux kernel.

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Auction begins at 10 GMT

#95 Post by don570 »

Auction begins at 10 GMT tonite

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/482#comments

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#96 Post by don570 »

It has already been announced that
there won't be any Opengl accelerated drivers for raspi .
'Unlikely' according to Eben.

...but I noticed that a German guy from DirectFB is interested
in developing for raspi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projec ... tfb#p26871


DirectFB is primarily developed by the German Company, Convergence GmbH

Devices supported by DirectFB

As of DirectFB 0.9.21
Graphics Drivers
Matrox Mystique/Millennium, G100, G200, G400/450, G550
Via CLE266
ATI Mach64/Rage Pro series
ATI Rage 128
ATI Radeon
3dfx Voodoo3/4/5/Banshee
igs `CyberPro` 5xxx
S3 Savage 3/4 series
`NeoMagic` 220/2230/2360/2380
nVidia `TNT/GeForce` seiries
SiS 315
Intel i810
NSC Geode
Input Drivers
Standard Keyboards
Serial and PS/2 mice
joysticks
Linux Input Layer Devices
Infrared Remote Controller (lirc)
iPAQ Touch Screen
ucb 1x00 Touch Screen
Microtech Touch Screen
Sony PI Jogdial



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#97 Post by sickgut »

this is what annoys me, no OpenGL for Rasp...

also the cost of the hdmi screen etc, you can get opengl capable android tablets for $80 now from ebay and ofc the screen is already there.

im not trying to be a wise guy here, the Rasp will bring alot of awareness from alot of people to the ARM platform, small computers and linux, thus encouraging efficient smart software that relies on good code, not hardware specs.... this is a very good thing.

its a dream of mine to like have a mini server farm, but i dont know really what way ill go, tablet or rasp. Android tablets have ethernet already there, this is important, as a server farm with only wifi would suck. Once setup im looking to learn how to run a cluster.

No OpenGL is a pain, but i never really expected the Rasp to be replacing home systems very much, but..... the way i see it is:

SERVER FTW!!!

cheapish quiet power efficient servers and you can fit 10 of them on top of your bookshelf, its freaking awesome. I already have setup cheapo tablets with debian and run game servers and fileservers etc and stream the webcam over the network, with wifi these things are portable security cameras aswell.

i havent used a Rasp yet, maybe it will impress me, maybe it wont. Whatever the case i think we will have a sweet year ahead of us messing with these things

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#98 Post by linuxbear »

I would love to build a Beowulf cluster with these little cards. Imagine how many you could put into a PC case with a little creative alteration! Too bad they do not have gigabyte NICs though

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#99 Post by qkall »

i read on the their forums that a cluster (though there's a lot of interest in it) isn't very price feasible. after a certain amount, you could probably just buy a better computer for the same price.

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#100 Post by nooby »

Haha we will end up with one puppy for old computers.
One for RaspberryPi and one that is a forked Android that
can make use of Android apps. Would google allow that?
Most likely not?

What about that WebOS that they told us they would allow to be
open for devs to use? Would that one work on same hardware
as Android do? That would be something interesting then maybe
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