Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[sickgut]

Ive been testing Pussy extensively, seems very stable and is reasonably complete for a live system there is the obvious hdd install issue and ntfs write to boot partition but as far as a live cdrom or usb or .img version imaged to a internal HDD this isnt a problem.

Development has kinda slowed as most the current problems are debian live related and i have to wait on them to correct things at their end. I released Pussy as a non hdd installable OS but then nooby and john3voltas educated us all in the wisdom of working fancy magic with grub and hdd install is not an officially supported option and only for experienced users.

It is a monumental task for me to setup a hdd install method that is as good as puppy. I dont even know where to begin. Right now however you can image the .img version to your hdd, this installs syslinux bootloader.... if you are dual booting between windows and pussy it can be a little tricky. Also the sheer method of dd'ing a hdd will kill any previous OS on there so if you need to install windows you have to install pussy then install windows, i hav ent tried this yet dual boot windows i dont know if modern vista/ win7 will pic.k up the bootloader and still work.

And its a real pain in the ass to support once we have a alpha quality hdd install method, newbies will simply say it doesnt work and how do i make it go ? just running the .img pussy on a hdd is no problem but dual booting... there will be so many different configs used on various computers that it would be impossible to support and help people effectively. Windows is to blame tho... how far should i bend things just to accommodate and boot an OS that has nothing to do with Pussy whatsoever. I think pussy can survive as a cdrom and usb image ok.

The thing is a professional quality hdd install script is out of my reach, and its better to leave it out rather then release something that only half works.

The main purpose of this post is to ask the community about improvemets they will like in the next version

Considering that i cant tackle the NTFS write to boot problem without help from the debian ive hit a rut The most recent version of Pussy seems really good and there are no major defects glaring at me.

There is swapfile setup and internal hdd mounting scripts being ironed out now but to tell you guys the truth, nothing much is happening on the dev front because there doesnt seem to be anything to improve.

So in order for Pussy to move forward, i am asking you guys to post what you would like to be included in the next release. Pussy is gaining in popularity and daily downloads seen to be increasing but there is less and less feedback on the forum. Apparently that is a sign of success, people generally come to the forum if there is a problem but if it is all working well no one says anything. This kinda keeps me isolated from the real world usage of Pussy by everyone running it. And because of lack of feedback.... i dont know what the people want.

So im asking the community here to please list what you need added or redone or fixed to Pussy, here on the forum. Since the initial alpha release i had achieved the goal i wanted to do, everything else that has came after is entirely from you guys, its you loyal pussy users here that have been improving pussy, ive just been adding your ideas and solutions and pussy has improved very nicely. I am still dedicated as i have ever been to improve Pussy i ever have been but im running out of things to fix. Also the fact that i have no idea of how a normal person uses a computer doesnt help much,

[saintless]

Hi, Sickgut,

Pussy linux for me is fine the way it is. I even don't need most of the programs in the extra.squash file. Everything I need I can get with apt-get. This is the best part of having Pussy linux. Everything you need is easy to get and install.

The Rox-filler focus problem is partly solved for me by setting the system to open a file with double click. I saw that solution in rcrsn51 post somewhere in the forum. This way the previous selected file can't stay marked and can't be deleted by mistake.
It will be good to include CUPS in the next version if there is enough space.

About the HDD frugal install option we can give the examples we have in grub menu in a help text file. This way everyone can modify one of the examples for Grub or Grub4Dos for his needs. He just have to copy the live folder on the hard drive and it is done. With some linux experience and advice in the forum everyone will be able to do it.

Nooby can help a lot with Grub4Dos examples, I will give mine for Grub. It will be good to find someone with LILO boot loader and Pussy linux entry in it. We can do some testing on every file system and add working example for it.

Edit: We can include Xsane for scanner also.

[sickgut]

i found a bug in the media dir, and the desktop points to it. The issue is with cdrom ejection.
it wont work if there is no cdrom in the drive. When i coded thiss i mistakenly put eject mountpoint in the cdrom. (the mount point being a dir/folder). AND ofcause if you click mount cdrom nothing happens because no cdrom/ dvd.

The solution is to use: eject /dev/sr0 and the cdrom tray will eject from the computer inviting you to put cdrms or dvds in there even if the cdrom drve is empty

I see this as a major problem and if we dont get the next pussy done soon then i will release a patch for the cdrom thing and while we are at it ill incude a jwm menu patch removes the bogus camera monitor entry that doesnt link to anything at all

what do guys think about a audio cd icon on the dessktop? or does eveeryone use mplayer or alsa player for that??

[saintless]

[nooby]

[aarf]

[sickgut]

[nooby]

Puppy don't have Grub2 but Ubuntu and maybe Knoppix can install grub2
to an USB but the whole point of supporting Pussy for me was that it
would work as Puppy in that it boots frugally on NTFS and save to a save file like Puppy and neither need grub2 nor need ext3 or some other such formatting.

Even Knoppix allow me to use NTFS using grub4dos and Knoppix do save
to the NTFS so why would I use Pussy of Knoppix works better?

No criticism at all. I just compare how them appear to me.

I have tried to learn grub2 but failed. Lookj here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=74673

[saintless]

[nooby]

Oh thanks, Now I get curious on if Knoppix also has all these
activated from scratch

Re you say reboot. But that would only work if one have
the persistant working. I where not structured enough to get it working.
I made a few attempts but failed to get or grasp how one do it.

And that is for a computer that I seldom use now. I have moved it
to another place in the room to use when I do exercise on the "bike"

One can look on music clips while one exercise

So no hurry. I get back when I feel for it.

Much appreciated you took time to explain how to
apt-get things.

I guess if I install on USB then it would work? Now I am on NTFS HD

[saintless]

[nooby]

Only do it if it feel good for your own inner motivation.

The reason I was and still is somewhat active in Pussy threads
is that I had hoped sickgut could come up with a Pussy that equaled
Puppy in functions.

Debian does not seem to allow that.

Ubuntu if one cheat booting using their iso gives an almost similar
experience as a Puppy that one boot with pfix=ram and never do a
pupsave for. One are allowed to do anything if one cheat boot it.

Debian seems to have the prevention of such cheat well hidden

[saintless]

OK, Nooby

I think Pussy linux will become more puppy like in time. Beta-preview-2 is much closer to puppy than the Alpha version was.
In some ways Pussy linux is better and easier to use than Puppy, but it still has too much to learn from Puppy also.
Joe (Big_bass) created TXZ_Pup from Slackware and it works perfect with Slackware packages.
Lets hope in time Pussy linux will became just like puppy with the same 100% working apt-get.

[jbv]

Hi sickgut,

Based one of your previous messages, I was hoping/expecting your new USB Image to be setup to allow someone with only a Windows machine to install it. Since it wasn't, I just went with the xtra-beta-preview2.iso and used the Universal USB installer and then tweaked the syslinux.cfg file again.

I've spent the last few days messing around with pussy and I've probably re-installed it more times than I can count, but I've almost got it right.

Along the way, I've had some interesting experiences. I lost the web-server at some point and no matter what I did, it wouldn't start. Somehow the ownership of the log file got changed to be root,root and lighttpd couldn't open it, so it just crashed at startup. I tried changing ownership and rights back and then doing another save-image, but for some reason the change wasn't being reflected. I ended up unpacking the save file manually, editing lighttpd.conf to create the log file in /tmp (ramdisk?) and then manually made the 99save file again. I have noticed there do seem to be a few little quirks with the update-save-file script, although I don't know if this is a problem with the script per-se or just some quirks in unsquashfs and mksquashfs that may need special switches or what.

The strange problem with lighttpd only started after I ran anyterm for the first time. Not sure if that is a coincidence or not.

I also discovered that plugging in another USB stick and it wouldn't enumerate. I kept getting "device descriptor read/64, error -71" faults. Messing around with sys/module/usbcore/parameters and remembering to make a save-file eventually sorted that out. The strange thing here though is that the usbcore/parameters ended up changin back to where they were originally after a reboot, but the USB sticks now work - strange.

I also had fun and games changing the host name, but got that sorted.

I've managed to change the default font and size in XTerm so that I can now read it and it is almost working properly. There is only one thing with XTerm that I can't get right and that is the keyboard function keys. I've got what should be a standard 104-key keyboard, I've used the parameter *sunKeyboard: true in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm but the function keys still don't work. I've tried running the language and mapping script and selecting a generic 104-key keyboard, all to no avail.

Does anyone know how to get function keys to work properly in XTerm with a standard 104-key keyboard ? What am I missing?

There are two other (really dumb) things I couldn't work out or find clues to ...
1) How can I get the Rox-filer background to start automatically when FVM/X starts?
2) How do you get a link/icon/shortcut/whatever on the Rox-filer desktop?

Cheers

[nooby]

I always log in as root on Pussy.

When it ask for user I write root and password pussy
and that way it is a bit like puppy also being root?

What is different is that when doing frugal install then in Puppy
you are given a lot of ntfs permissions that Debian by default only
give to full install?

Exception is Knoppix but that is the only exception.
Neither Mepis not AntiX nor Semplicity nor Crunchbang allow you to
be live session user and have write permission to the drive you boot from.
Not Pussy either.