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shinobar


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 21:20    Post subject: on an old Puppy  
greengeek wrote:
Could this be used on an old Puppy 4.3.1 installation?

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Have you tried? and got a trouble?
I am using it on '431JP returns', the Japanese special edition based on Puppy 431.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 21:33    Post subject: Re: LibreOffice  
shinobar wrote:
... will you test the sfs_load-1.3.9?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=982327072&t=64354
Dpup Exprimo 5.X.3.2.9.2 has the sfs_load-1.3.9 built in.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76247
Thanks Shiinobar for your help.

Yes, I will do that at first chance over this coming weekend.

Question
  • Am I to assume that sfs_load will load the SFS in such a way that when the system is shutdown and a save-session to the CD occurs, that on the next reboot, the system will be loaded with all the installed apps present just as is done for PPM apps?
And, FYI, I have found that in the past, the PETs seem to be similar in size to SFSs. Not sure if there is developer magic occurring. This is just an observation for I understand the reasons one might steer to developing a SFSs for a system feature.

Hope this is clear information and question
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 03:54    Post subject: Re: on an old Puppy  
shinobar wrote:
@greengeek
Have you tried? and got a trouble?
I am using it on '431JP returns', the Japanese special edition based on Puppy 431.


I loaded the get_libreoffice-013.pet (assumed it was the best one as it must be the most recent..) but when I go to the "document" menu and click get libreoffice I end up with a gtkdialog-splash that says "Please wait a moment" and has a rotating arrow on a green rectangle. Seems to be hanging like that forever.

No visible network activity so I don't think it's actually downloading.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 05:25    Post subject: Re: on an old Puppy  
greengeek wrote:
I loaded the get_libreoffice-013.pet (assumed it was the best one as it must be the most recent..) but when I go to the "document" menu and click get libreoffice I end up with a gtkdialog-splash that says "Please wait a moment" and has a rotating arrow on a green rectangle. Seems to be hanging like that forever.

Type 'get_libreoffice' from a virtual terminal so that you may get more information. Wait 30 sec if it seem hanging.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 13:35    Post subject: Re: on an old Puppy  
shinobar wrote:
Type 'get_libreoffice' from a virtual terminal so that you may get more information. Wait 30 sec if it seem hanging.


Thanks Shinobar,

The first time I try this I saw:

# get_libreoffice
ok
en-GB
/usr/sbin/get_libreoffice: line 216: gtkdialog: command not found
EXIT="EXIT on mouse-over"
3.4.5 3.5.0

A folder called libre_download is created on my sda1, but has no contents.

I waited 5 minutes but there seemed to be no progress. When I reboot and repeat the process I now get something almost identical except it refers to "EXIT on timeout" instead of EXIT on mouseover. Still hangs, with no network activity evident.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 13:40    Post subject:  
If you type gtkdialog --version...what you get...It is possible you will need gtkdialog-0.8.0 Thunor ie gtkdialog4...just brainstorming

Code:
# gtkdialog --version
gtkdialog version 0.8.0 (C) 2003-2007 Laszlo Pere, 2011 Thunor
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 15:57    Post subject:  
pemasu wrote:
If you type gtkdialog --version...what you get..


I get the following:

bash: gtkdialog: command not found

Does this mean I have no gtkdialog at all?
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 16:32    Post subject: LibreOffice PET assistance request  
This problem has come up before on the SFS issues with LIve Media users.

Live media users MUST manually create personal techniques for their SFSs use and needs in the absence of a PET for installation. (It is a personal preference of a developer to provide packages for our use. In all cases they are doing what they feel is the right thing for the right audience, AND I respect that.)

So, since we are on our own, I'll ask for some obvious assistance.

Request
  • I believe there is a tool that exist to export SFS contents to a folder..
  • I also believe there is a tool where a folder can be made into a PET.
  • The PET can then be installed into the running system.
  • It will be tracked by the PPM and will be backed up by the save-session (I guess this is assuming that Libre would install into the system so that save-session would be able to capture it)
  • Would this work for Live media users?
  • Is there a procedure for soing this somewhere already in existence?
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 16:45    Post subject:  
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LibreOffice-3.5.0-en_US.pet has been uploaded to the exprimo repo. It has rox left and right clicks included.
I found the reason why LibreOffice pets created from get_libreoffice sfs does not update the menu. There is one broken symlink which causes it. I found the reason when I launched the pet installation from console with petget command. The error was seen that way. Removing that broken symlink and everything was ok.


http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/pet_packages-exprimo/LibreOffice-3.5.0_en-US.pet
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 18:06    Post subject:  
Hi all,

greengeek,

IIRC, Puppy-431 only has gtkdialog2 and gtkdilog3 executables. I haven't got a check for version which I should put in. Perhaps for now putting in a symlink "gtkdialog" targeting gtkdialog3 will fix your issue.
Code:
ln -s /usr/sbin/gtkdialog3 /usr/sbin/gtkdialog
.
I'm not in Puppy at the moment so can't check, will do later.

EDIT:Ok, I wrote this before Thunor updated gtkdialog, so gtkdialog3 will work, so all that is needed is the above symlink. I have only one call that misses gtkdialog3 which I'll fix for the next version.

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gcmartin,

To install the libreoffice in a pfix=ram install (pupmode=5) isn't supported at this stage, but I can implement it. It would require that your machine has about 1GB of free RAM. I may put in code that checks for system RAM (say at least 1.5GB) and then a check for available RAM (1GB) and then apply a case whereby a .pet is generated, which can be saved for later use.

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 18:39    Post subject:  
01micko wrote:
... It would require that ...
Thanks @Pemasu and @01Micko. You guys are great!

Just a note
I believe that I have used LibreOffice on a PC that has 1GB of RAM (not free, total). But, I cannot swear to it.

In any event, it is prudent and wise that we should follow recommendations as it means that the developers has tested at that level of design and the product functions adequately. And, should any of us find a difference that would help others, we should present that information.

Thanks, again, to both of you.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 18:47    Post subject:  
Note that 1GB RAM requirement is to build the sfs Cool Wink in RAM, as that's how pupmode=5 (pfix=ram) works.

Libreoffice should run fine and build fine with 256MB RAM, in an installed state (either full or frugal, pupmode=2, pupmode=12, and I should add support for pupmode=6).

I'll reiterate that USB installs are unsupported (pupmode=3, 7, 13). There could be big problems if there is a snapmerge during the build. I do not intend to fix this.

I have not supported pupmode=77(save back to CD/DVD), but it will be a similar scenario to pupmode=5.

Hope this clarifies.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 04:58    Post subject:  
01micko wrote:
Perhaps for now putting in a symlink "gtkdialog" targeting gtkdialog3 will fix your issue.
Code:
ln -s /usr/sbin/gtkdialog3 /usr/sbin/gtkdialog


Thanks. That worked perfectly on my 4.3.1 frugal.

I chose version 3.5 (instead of 3.4.5) and it works, but is very much slower to load than the Libreoffice I had previously loaded into into a Slacko 53 frugal on the same hardware.

Is that related to the age of 4.3.1 do you think? (lacking modern libs or something?)

Also, during the first run of Libreoffice on 4.3.1 it repeatedly requested a JRE to be loaded. I didn't do that yet because I got a lot of problems when I loaded a JRE pet to my Slacko Libreoffice (ROX corruptions now resolved)

Do you consider the JRE to be critical/desirable/optional?

T4TH


EDIT: I also tried the new .sfs on Wary511 and it works (I didn't really expect it to be portable to a different Puppy version...), but I experienced exactly the same delay when starting Libre on 511 as I did with 4.3.1
It seems to take forever to get to the point where you can start typing the document.. Is it normal to expect slower performance from an sfs programme versus a fully installed programme? (My installed version on Slacko53 was Libre 3.3, whereas this new sfs is Libre 3.5 - maybe the newer version is more weighty?)
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 06:18    Post subject:  
Hi greengeek

It is certainly possible that it's slower on 431 due to libs but I am not sure. As long as it's stable than it shouldn't be a problem.

As for Java, I thinks it's needed for some of the presenter features. Calc and Writer work fine without Java, I'm not too sure about the others. The warning should not appear after subsequent loads of LibreOffice Writer and Calc.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar 2012, 07:22    Post subject:  
Dear 01micko and greengeek,

I seem to recall that Java was needed for the database. I don't think it works without it. Some extensions may also need it, but nearly everything works without JRE, although I have it installed.

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