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natgab
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Sylvander, the differences of how Puppy saves to the "snap layer" and to the "save layer" are helpful to get a better understanding of how Puppy Linux works versus a regular linux works. My question was done with the pecularities of my laptop. It does not have an optical drive and does not use standard 2.5" Harddrives. It uses 1.8" iPod HDDs, flash drives for this size are scarce & expensive.
So my problem was either using a small stub USB always connected to my laptop to boot Puppy always on the USB and use the (now blank) slow HDD for storage or as I have done, install Puppy to my slow HDD add a swap file and make use of the speed of the OS compared to much larger OSs.
Do you think it will work well enough for web browsing, movies and light photo editing?
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Sylvander
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| Posted: Fri 23 Mar 2012, 09:58 Post_subject:
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1. | natgab wrote: | | Do you think it will work well enough for web browsing, movies and light photo editing? |
I expect so.
One way to find out for sure is to try it and see.
2. If you had a frugal installation [or pupsave file] on the small slower-than-normal internal HDD...
(a) It would be interesting to see how the speed compares between HDD and USB Flash Drive.
(b) In any case, those only affect the speed of loading the Puppy and programs into RAM, and saving changes back to the pupsave.
Once running in RAM, they won't affect the speed of operation of the Puppy.
(c) If you set up the arrangement so you could save only manually, at a moment of your choosing...
There would be little or no [minimal] slowdown, interrupting normal operation...
...Because it would only happen at the moment you choose.
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natgab
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| Posted: Fri 23 Mar 2012, 15:24 Post_subject:
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| Sylvander wrote: | 1. | natgab wrote: | | Do you think it will work well enough for web browsing, movies and light photo editing? |
I expect so.
One way to find out for sure is to try it and see.
2. If you had a frugal installation [or pupsave file] on the small slower-than-normal internal HDD...
(a) It would be interesting to see how the speed compares between HDD and USB Flash Drive.
(b) In any case, those only affect the speed of loading the Puppy and programs into RAM, and saving changes back to the pupsave.
Once running in RAM, they won't affect the speed of operation of the Puppy.
(c) If you set up the arrangement so you could save only manually, at a moment of your choosing...
There would be little or no [minimal] slowdown, interrupting normal operation...
...Because it would only happen at the moment you choose. |
--I will use the Haiku partition I have and test out a frugal install on my laptop. See how it compares to the full install I have now.
I have still not settled on which Puppy to use, I have been using Lucid because it works on my WIFI network without problems. But I would like to test out some of the other ones, so I guess I will try some out using frugal installs. I won't mess with the save settings for now.
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Sylvander
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| Posted: Fri 23 Mar 2012, 16:01 Post_subject:
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 Sounds good.
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natgab
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| Posted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 03:56 Post_subject:
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| Sylvander wrote: | | Sounds good. |
--Aack, I don't think frugal installs like me. 
I tried installing Lucid 5.25 Lite in my spare partition as a frugal install and could not get it to work. I redid Grub, booted and only the full install would work. I then erased the whole HDD, and did a frugal install of Lucid 5.25 and then 5.28 and ran Grub. Gave me some error on boot about not finding boot partition.
I had no problem reinstalling Lucid Puppy 5.28 as full install with my swap partition and my extra empty 6GB. Everything works perfect as a full install. Plenty fast enough now that I have the swap partition, now I guess I will just worry about tunning Puppy Lucid to my liking.
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Sylvander
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| Posted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 04:34 Post_subject:
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| natgab wrote: | | I had no problem reinstalling Lucid Puppy 5.28 as full install with my swap partition and my extra empty 6GB. Everything works perfect as a full install. |
He, he...
I first learned...many years ago...sitting examinations...
To take the route where success is coming quick and easy.
If you have the time and inclination...later...you might invest the effort to get a frugal install working.
Personally...
I avoid GRUB altogether nowadays.
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natgab
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| Posted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 14:50 Post_subject:
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| Sylvander wrote: | | natgab wrote: | | I had no problem reinstalling Lucid Puppy 5.28 as full install with my swap partition and my extra empty 6GB. Everything works perfect as a full install. |
He, he...
I first learned...many years ago...sitting examinations...
To take the route where success is coming quick and easy.
If you have the time and inclination...later...you might invest the effort to get a frugal install working.
Personally...
I avoid GRUB altogether nowadays. |
Well, I think I want to concentrate on getting used to how to remove things and how to manually add things with the pets. I have mostly used Ubuntu / Debian, so I am familiar with apt-get. So I'll work on learning the manual side of Puppy first. Then maybe if Lucid is not updated in a while, I might have to go hunting for a new Puppy and give frugal installs a chance again.
What do you use instead of GRUB? I've dealt with GRUB, GRUB2, Yaboot for my PPC Macs and Chameleon on my Hackintosh. Though I've only edited GRUB / GRUB2.
oops, forgot about Bootman. The bootloader for Haiku. 
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Lazy JW
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| Posted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 08:07 Post_subject:
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I too had no success with Grub on a Lucid frugal install, but Grub4Dos works flawlessly and is much easier.
YMMV.
Joe
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