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Dual booting grub2 Linux with frugal Puppy?
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James C
 Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4743 Location: Kentucky |
Just to keep the record straight,you can boot Arch and every other Linux distro I've tried with good old legacy Grub. I boot everything with regular old legacy Grub. I've got installs of Arch,Ubuntu,Mandriva,Mepis, PCLOS,Semplice plus a lot of various Windows and Puppy installs....everything booting with regular Grub. I'd just suggest to use the bootloader you are comfortable with..... I just happen to prefer the old reliable regular Grub. |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
I guess I did not make the situation clear. I trust that you boot fully installed Arch and other linuxes but before they are installed you ahve to boot them either on CD/DVD or USB and then let them install themselves. Then later you can boot using grub legacy. But suppose you ahve it like what I have. Ms Win7 or WinXP or WinVista on NTFS and want to boot Arch live for to install it on an external HD or USB. Then it will say that it search and can not find a certain file. I've spent many many hours searching using google and I don't trust there is a solution to it. Fully installs is another matter. USB is another matter CD/DVD is another matter but on NTFS HD no way 
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rcrsn51
 Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7758 Location: Stratford, Ontario |
@nooby: With all due respect, you are mixing up two different situations. This thread started off talking about an old Dell Dimension 4600 that would only have Linux's on it. Now you are back to talking about dual booting with Windows and NTFS. Which is it? |
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Tman
 Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 732 Location: Toronto |
Although I have not used the other bootloaders to any great extent, my opinion is that you should be able to boot any linux with any linux bootloader; the tricky part is learning how. I find Grub4Dos to be the easiest; Legacy Grub looks similiar to Grub4Dos, IMO. LILO?...I don't care too much for it. Grub2 and Syslinux/ExtLinux are more complicated.
Agreed. |
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Tman
Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 732 Location: Toronto |
No, only 1 bootloader can be active on each partition, but Mint/Ubuntu/Debian have their boot configuration files, in the /boot folder. If you install Mint and its grub2 bootloader to sda1... You can later install Grub4Dos with a puppy-livecd. Grub4dos will replace Grub2 in the MBR, and grub4dos will autodetect the Grub2 bootup files in the /boot folder. The autodetecting may not be fully accurate for some distros; then you just need to add the exact /path/name for the kernel file and the initrd file. But I've been thinking, maybe you should just stick to Puppy and Linux Mint. I don't see how using PClinuxOS can benefit you over Mint. - Arch starts off with just a command prompt; not sure if you would like that. I installed it becuase I want to tinker with under-the-hood stuff to get a better grasp of how linux works. Mint is much more user-friendly than Arch. - Last edited by Tman on Sat 07 Apr 2012, 13:25; edited 2 times in total |
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Jim1911
Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 2353 Location: Texas, USA |
Grub4dos configuration, if it finds grub2, will include an entry "find grub2" which will locate grub2 and boot from it. I have found that feature convenient to boot ubuntu in some instances. |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
Yes but I responded to that specific claim. I maybe lure us to go off topic. On topic Idid put that computer back on the scrapbin but kept the HD and DVD and RAM and such to combine from 3 other computers to make the best Linux "test" computer that I am able to make shift together. Sure I can be wrong but AFAIK or rather IIRC the Dev guys that changed from using grub legacy to Grub2 then are saying that their distro should have grub2 for to boot. And as I get it they refer to both "Live" and full install. And my experience of booting the live it fail to find a certain file if one use grub4dos I have that on an Asus EEEPC and that one has ext2 and ext2 exclusively and "live" installs fails even on that one. So it is not about NTFS either. And you have to consider what happens when I ask about their distro on their forum. They expect that those that ask have installed it the way their installer set it up. My experience is that they refuse to answer if one managed to boot their distro with the wrong boot loader. So I want to stick to grub2 on sda1 for booting many many linux distros when they write about them in DistroWatch and on other such sites. But considering how noisy these big Desktops are and how much space they take up are on the desk I will also try out something else. Also off topic in this thread. I have purchased an usb to Ide and Sata drive adapter. That way I can treat any old internal HD as if they are usb memory and that would allow me to boot linuxes as if they are fully installed on the external usb? I hope that solve my problem? _________________ I'm a noob so I use Google Search of Puppy Forum |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
Here is why I saw myself as "partly" being on topic. I want to boot the way the devs of that distro have planned it to be. I have forgotten which guy it was but some 6 months or more way back he showed me that a great majority of all linuxes are set up to boot with grub2 on internal HD exclusively. Sure on external usb connected you maybe can boot it pretending it is on CD/DVD/USB but the internal HD they expect grub2. With a few exceptions. say at most 5 to 10% of all listed distros on DW? All the major brands are using grub2? As I remember he got very upset with me for not believing him. If he where wrong and I had it right would not then a lot of you confirm that I where right. I don't remember how to find that thread again. I came to believe him after spending much time going through many of the listed distros that where high up on the list as popular. . Sorry if I come through as rigid and defending and not so flexible. All the man hours that I invested in that "research" convinced me that he gets it right. Where he wrong. Remember he got very upset when I did not believe him. Last edited by nooby on Sat 07 Apr 2012, 13:30; edited 1 time in total |
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Tman
Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 732 Location: Toronto |
nooby, This is becoming more complicated than it should be. If you want, you can just PM me and I will try to walk you through setting things up the way you like. |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
Yes and no. The good thing with sharing on line is that others can make use of the solutions you share with us. Yes sure I can do PM I don't mind but then I would still share it online not the PM but the code for to get it to work. Remember I don't have that computer anymore but if your code works for using an USB connected external ide HD then I can test it right away with code for grub4dos and using same menu.lst I use to boot every day. Is that okay with you? I can show example now.
I ahve this part too but not sure if it should be there i915.modeset=1 Here is how I boot Linux Mint latest version but the LXDE variant. title LM12 LXDE 2012 frugal iso boot of LM12 LM12LXDE find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso kernel /LM12LXDE/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram noeject noprompt -- initrd /LM12LXDE/casper/initrd.lz Now that is on the internal hd which have NTFS So the external hd have ext 3 on it in three partitions made for linux mint and other grub2 distros. I trust that if I do the grub4dos config thing it delete the grub2 so that is a no no. So your idea that it should work with grub legacy has to be done on another usb then. I ahve many such so no problem to find one. Another bad thing about doing PM is that none of the others can jump in and point out things. Maybe one can do both. You write PM to me and I continue on this thread if others feel for it. _________________ I'm a noob so I use Google Search of Puppy Forum |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
Thanks for that PM I am not sure how to proceed. I have to set up one usb that I dedicate to make use of as the test of linux usb and then stick to that one or to add several such if need come up. I have a quick and dirty one now and old 8GB noisy internal HD attached to the adapter and can use that one so do tell me what would be the best way to get Linux Mint on it. Send me that PM. I have some 2 hours before bed time here locally so if you have time we could try it out. To use Puppy to boot Linux Mint on that external USB hd using grub4dos Tomorrow I will be traveling so will be away for most of the day. _________________ I'm a noob so I use Google Search of Puppy Forum |
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Tman
Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 732 Location: Toronto |
Is your bootloader grub4dos or Grub Legacy? The confusing part is both of them have a menu.lst file,but you cannot just add Grub4dos settings into a grub legacy menu.lst. You need to actually install grub4dos. A frugal-pup entry in grub4dos would be like this:
I am not sure about the pmedia part...you might have to change yours to "pmedia=idehd" |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
Ooops I thought I told you that I prefer to make use of grub4dos because that is what I have now. So what do you suggest for Linux Mint then? _________________ I'm a noob so I use Google Search of Puppy Forum |
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Tman
Joined: 22 Jan 2011 Posts: 732 Location: Toronto |
Did you install Mint to the USB yet? If not, you can install it now and install the grub2 bootloader to the USB as well. Also, what have you got installed in your main hard-drive, and is your main hard-drive using grub4dos?
Looks like you are running a livecd image of Mint from your main hard-drive...is that correct? You need to actually install Mint if you want to add more apps, and have your settings saved. (AFAIK) Last edited by Tman on Sat 07 Apr 2012, 14:19; edited 1 time in total |
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nooby
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope |
Yes my main install is on grub4dos that where the lupu 528-005 that I use now when I write now. I changed to another less old HD instead. Will see if it boots. I get back Formated to ext3 and installed grub4dos and used my old and your new menu.lst entry and will test both. Yes sorry about my confusing code on LM12 I just did show it to inspire you to share how you boot LM12 using grub4dos. What do I need to change and add or delete for it to work as you have experience of? This code from you worked very well. title Lupu-528-005 find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /lupu-528-005/initrd.gz kernel /lupu-528-005/vmlinuz psubdir=lupu-528-005 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck initrd /lupu-528-005/initrd.gz So how do I add LM12 now manually? re your use of uuid would you not need to have set root=UUID or something? Last edited by nooby on Sat 07 Apr 2012, 15:10; edited 1 time in total |
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