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nancy reagan

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 17:15    Post subject:  

darkcity wrote:
ideally if you work on something you should get paid,

unfortunately the global economic system mainly rewards the financial sector Rolling Eyes


What about all those developers here playdayz micko BK pemasu iguleder jemimah sc0ttman philb rsh ttuxxx goingnuts technosaurus etc etc not to forget all those helpers in standby lobster muggins rcrsn and all those many more testers

This leaves alone the question

SHOULD THIS FORUM ALSO BE A MARKETPLACE FOR OTHER PEOPLE SELLING THEIR PUPPYWORK ?
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 18:15    Post subject:  

indeed, they should get paid, also. More in fact, as they are contributing to the creative commons. announcer is getting paid for maybe 50% his work and 50% the work of someone else, plus not acknowledging it properly.

Would you feel differently about studio if 50% of the profit was donated back to BarryK?
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nancy reagan

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 19:13    Post subject:  

darkcity wrote:
indeed, they should get paid, also. More in fact, as they are contributing to the creative commons. announcer is getting paid for maybe 50% his work and 50% the work of someone else, plus not acknowledging it properly.

Would you feel differently about studioech" again if 50% of the profit was donated back to BarryK?
Idea


No, for lowtech, (who, as I said before, was banned earlier from this site, but manages to log in time and again under a false avatar, and recently even under "lowtech" again, which nobody seemed to notice) is the only one who asks for money for his puplets.

And silly to suggest "if he would give 50% to BK" so one can fancy all kinds of rippled ideas for he or she who does this or that way. (And if so, how could you trust one like him ?)

Even if it were allowed to sell puppies, I would at least suggest that this forum is not a marketplace with FREE ADVERTISING. Go somewhere else promoting your merchandise.

Besides lowtech has caused the forum a lot of trouble in the past for which a refer to the thread I mentioned earlier.

So if you suggest an arrangement for lowtech, which ones would your suggest for the other developers testers and helpers ?
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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 21:44    Post subject:  

There are many free alternatives such as ArtistX and Musix.
They are not puppy based but work well.

Linux should be free all the time and to make money, learn from Redhat who earns from service fee.
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 22:18    Post subject:  

" HERE in this long thread

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65480&start=285

you talked totally differently when lowtech (who, after he was banned, always logs in under different names, lately even with "lowtech" again) named his studio "puppystudio". "

Yeah! but reading that.....
" I personally wish him no ill, he can even make money, "

See ....I am consistent.

So no regrets from me at that time or now.

Hey! and what a mouth I have.
Not here just to be helpful.

Or as my wife says..." my best and my worst feature. "
Women....what is she on about???

""""""""

But moving on, many musos appreciate his work.

Good software should be acknowledged.

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" Never knew that this FORUM WAS MEANT FOR COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENTS ? "

John Murga is a good bloke and a smart one.
I'm sure that being one of our first developers >> MeanPup ,
beside Barry, he knows how hard it is to release something of
the previous quality of Puppy Studio, and this new one now.

And it is his forum....he is not easily swayed.
His belief in Puppy, his money, his time keeps us all here.

And guess what....paid for by advertising these days.
Enough to pay for his server, and 2 beers a year.
He's using us up.

The price is fair for worldwide shipping.

And I believe that Micko is getting a copy >> gratis.

So stop the whining.

Chris.
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pemasu


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 07:14    Post subject:  

Because my nickname was mentioned earlier....If someone wants to get some money from linux...go for it. All the reasonable ways which spread the knowledge of linux....puppy linux....does not harm. We are the few of the few. Making Puppy Linux more known...even by packaging it and selling it...I think it is good thing.

It is great that the hard work gets extra icing through packaging audio software and other software and selling it in usb stick ready to use. If people are ready to buy it...go for it. Not for me though.

I know the countless hours what making working puplet needs. Having small payment now and then might feel good. And remember... with selling something comes also responsibility....
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Volhout


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr 2012, 02:59    Post subject: double ?  

Making money with puppy has 2 faces. I see Nancy's point, you get a gift, and turn it into money (like selling your christmas gift).

But in the years that I am following this forum, I started realizing that many of the skilled developers here are playing with linux in a similar way that others would play computergames. And working toward a release, with your "team mates" is more like a LAN party. Little sleep, high tension, redbull. The only real difference is the result. In many cases it is something that can be used. There is a product.

And, as Pesamu and PlayDayz mention, you are proud that your product is chosen to be used. Even if it is making money for someone else. Actually ..... if it is used in a commercial product, it (most likely) has a longer life. Slacko 5.3.3 may still be in use by some people 5 years from now. Not sure there is any other puppy (2.14x ?) that can achieve this.

I see this as a good sign ....
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RSH


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr 2012, 05:33    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
Hey! and what a mouth I have.
Not here just to be helpful.

Or as my wife says..." my best and my worst feature. "
Women....what is she on about???

Looks like we do have the SUPER-MOUTH-TEAM here. Laughing

My best feature? My human brain. Very Happy
My worst feature? I can not resist to get in conflict with "Uncle-Ronnie-Guys" like you. Evil or Very Mad

nancy reagan wrote:
What about all those developers here playdayz micko BK pemasu iguleder jemimah sc0ttman philb rsh ttuxxx goingnuts technosaurus etc etc not to forget all those helpers in standby lobster muggins rcrsn and all those many more testers

Thank you, nancy reagan, for adding me to this list.

Me one did not really feel/see myself as a developer until release of LazY Puppy 528 Version 2 (18.03.2012). It has made me really happy to get account at smokey01's server and to be added onto his puppy-linux-developers site - but did not really felt that way.

LazY Puppy Release 2 has got some new features, written and developed by myself. Some of these applications are published on the forum, some of them are only available with LazY Puppy 2. So there are a few programs that i really do develop. The main work or better saying basic work of LazY Puppy 528-4 (Release 1) has been done by 10wt3ch (or maybe by the Announcer?).

I will try to explain:

My first step into puppy-linux has been initiated by the German Software Engineering Company Steinberg (Cubase). I did buy a 16-Channel Digital Audio-Mixer, that has included Cubase. But there were big differences between the Product Description and the received Package. The result was: there was a need to connect my music computer onto the internet, to get the Cubase to work (Registration & Activation). I do never want to connect my music computer onto the internet, because: the only secure system is an autonomous system. So i wrote an email to them, asking for a solution.

They advised me to return the package to my local musical instruments dealer. The owner of this shop is a really friendly person, so HE did buy a USB-Stick from Steinberg, so that i could use the Cubase without having to connect my music computer onto the internet.

The day i received the email from steinberg has been the day i did made my first step into puppy-linux... ...actually Muppy 08.3F.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=614048#614048

In September/Oktober 2011 i found the puppy studio 3.3 on the web and downloaded it. This was exactly, what i have been looking for. After a lot of work with and on the puppy studio 3.3 (my last created iso was about 960mb and did include the working corel draw suite eight) i found a post on the forum about openshot and the missing libmp3lame. I improved the original iso and also the big one... ...they were right. Libmp3lame is installed, but not found by openshot!

After this day i did start the work on a project, that now is known as LazY Puppy. I did create earlier an sfs containing openshot 1.3.1 (1.3.0?) and python, that did work out of the box and did not miss the libmp3lame. So i did think by myself:

Ok, Rainer. You have a working openshot sfs; you are an old pascal programmer; you do have a form/pattern (puppy studio 3.3) and you do have also a human brain. Build your own puppy studio and use sfs files. I did choose the lucid 525 and began to work. At the same time i did start a project to create a iso with lazarus and free pascal, but that's another story. There were some problems with the lucid 525, so i did start again using the lucid 528. The there were lucid 528-002 up to 004 and i did start again and again.

Without having the base, which means the puppy studio 3.3, i surely would leave the forum after the lucid 525 has failed. A lot of programs, used in the sfs files of LazY Puppy are programs of puppy studio 3.3. Also a lot of solutions i did found inside the puppy studio 3.3.

So, to make a statement:

Yes, please do pay me. But first: pay him and all who did work on the lucid 528!

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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr 2012, 07:14    Post subject:  

" My worst feature? I can not resist to get in conflict
with "Uncle-Ronnie-Guys" like you. :evil: "

::::::::::

In a perfect world we should always act nice to each other.
But it isn't.

Using Puppy however generally gives joy to many people who
have less worldly goods, more Windows heartaches,
and/or believe that we don't have to trash the planet
by dumping 3 year old computers etc.

So you're an OK bloke.
I know that.
And talented.
We don't always have to love each other here.
But we co-operate to make Puppy work.
Whether it's your version or others.

If we have a spat occasionally.....ah! well.

As I often say >>> " I don't discriminate, I hate everybody "

"""""""""""""""

" Muppy 08.3F. "
Mu....a lovely bloke.
Fair minded, competent, always great releases.
And well missed here.

Regards....Chris.
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RSH


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr 2012, 18:22    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
In a perfect world we should always act nice to each other.
But it isn't.

Right, but everyone could/should try to make it a better world. Cool

cthisbear wrote:
So you're an OK bloke.
I know that.
And talented.

Thanks. Smile

cthisbear wrote:
As I often say >>> " I don't discriminate, I hate everybody "

Don't you think also your woman would like much more to read your statement in a form like: "I don't discriminate, I hate everybody - except my beloved woman!"? Wink

EDIT:

cthisbear wrote:
Mu....a lovely bloke.
Fair minded, competent, always great releases.
And well missed here.

Hm, sounds like another exception...

...is there more?

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ciento

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 23:12    Post subject:  

I hope someone makes a commercial 'Printer Pup',
with Scribus, Inkscape, Gimp, Xara, Abiword, wine, every linux printing subsystem and module, all the lesser known apps for dealing with text,
graphic arts, scanners, photos, and printed output.

Well worth $30 to take a stick to Grandmas at the holidays, on vacation,
on business trips, family reunions, and of course, right here on this
old crate.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 07:22    Post subject:  

sounds like grafpup (no longer developed)

I don't see why people think it either has to be 100% commercial rip off company, or 100% hobbyists doing it for pure fun and living on thin air.

Surely there is a third way. Maybe a bounty system could be introducted. In your example people could donate to a bounty fund for implementing printer support. Developers implementing this would receive the bounty or share of.

Of course this would require some administration Twisted Evil ...

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 08:15    Post subject:  

RSH wrote:
My worst feature? I can not resist to get in conflict with "Uncle-Ronnie-Guys" like you.
cant find this term in online search. so guess only you on here understand what it means.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 09:36    Post subject:  

aarf wrote:
RSH wrote:
My worst feature? I can not resist to get in conflict with "Uncle-Ronnie-Guys" like you.
cant find this term in online search. so guess only you on here understand what it means.

Yeah, so you can see: google and other online search machines do not know everything - BUT WE DO (cthisbear and me) Laughing

So, never mind!

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 09:37    Post subject: what about AV linux ?  

puppyiso wrote:
There are many free alternatives such as ArtistX and Musix.
They are not puppy based but work well.
.....
.


AV linux also great
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