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Sage

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Posted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 01:34 Post subject:

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ejecting discs on power-off is not a common thing to happen on the majority of operating systems.

You are completely and utterly wrong. Most folks around here have tested more distros than you've had the proverbial. Don't try to change the accepted wisdom since ~1992. You can safely discount the devil's OS.

James C

Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 02:03 Post subject:

Sage wrote:

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ejecting discs on power-off is not a common thing to happen on the majority of operating systems.

Guess that explains the "ejecting disc..... please close tray and press enter" message that I see all the time....... Laughing

Sage

Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 02:40 Post subject:

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ejecting disc..... please close tray and press enter" message that I see all the time

Yup, that's what I've been seeing, so I've not been hallucinating after all!

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Posted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 03:12 Post subject:

Those capture the simplicity of Slackware and the rough and ready nature of Puppy.
Tastes are different, This suits me.
I prefer a more neutral background and so used emboss . . on your artwork Futwork. Many thanks Smile

Larry just about to try out your new Chrome plating.
Many thanks. Bravo on new Lucid update, by the way.
It must be Easter or some such holiday.
Must have boiled eggs for brekkie.

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Scooby

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 04:49 Post subject: announcing to google while going online

I found this line in /usr/sbin/welcome1stboot.sh

Code:

ping -c1 google.com &>/dev/null && CONNECTED="yes" || CONNECTED=

I must say I aint fond of announcing to google everytime I go online

can it be done any other way

01micko

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Location: qld

Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 06:18 Post subject:

Ok.. now it's

Code:

ping -c1 sourceforge.net &>/dev/null && CONNECTED="yes" || CONNECTED=

It was originally kernel.org but they went down for an extended period when they had a security breach. Google was only meant to be a stop gap. Thanks for reminding me.
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Jades

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 07:21 Post subject:

Sage wrote:

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ejecting discs on power-off is not a common thing to happen on the majority of operating systems.

I really don't see why you feel the need to take this personally. In my experience [1], Slacko 5.3.2.7 is the first ever OS I have seen that defaults to ejecting the discs on power off, and the first I remember that even had the option to do so. Looking at my previous post again, I see that I seem to have omitted the words "by default" in the sentence you quoted, which is probably typical of me posting technical stuff when I should be sleeping. Wink

I'm not even suggesting that the option be removed, just that it should be one that the user explicitly chooses to enable so that they're not caught out by it. Finally, like it or not, users coming to Puppy from Windows are probably our most likely newbies and given that Slacko's our flagship Puppy we should try to make the transition easy.

Notes:-

1. My OS experience starts with the BBC B in the early 80s, and covers RISC OS 2 - 6.20, MS-DOS, Windows 3.1 - 7, Amiga Workbench, actual Unix complete with Pico and PINE, Lupu from 5 - 5.28, Slacko from 4.99.1 (IIRC) and Wary. I'm also probably the only person on these boards regularly using Puppy on a K6-2 based machine, the only other forum regular I'm aware of with one is James C and AFAIK he rarely uses his.
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Jades

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 07:27 Post subject:

01micko wrote:

Ok.. now it's

Code:

ping -c1 sourceforge.net &>/dev/null && CONNECTED="yes" || CONNECTED=

It was originally kernel.org but they went down for an extended period when they had a security breach. Google was only meant to be a stop gap. Thanks for reminding me.

I generally ping www.bbc.co.uk as, like Google, there's a reasonable expectation that it will be up all of the time.

My Netgear WN111v2 wireless dongle is still running perfectly on Slacko. I've done upgrades, created new saves, and it has worked first time every time whether pfix=ram or over multiple boots.
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shinobar

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 07:52 Post subject: close tray

James C wrote:

Sage wrote:

Quote:

ejecting discs on power-off is not a common thing to happen on the majority of operating systems.

Guess that explains the "ejecting disc..... please close tray and press enter" message that I see all the time....... Laughing

Right. Ubuntu, Knoppix and etc. ejects the CD at shutdown and gives a prompt pressing 'Enter' to close the tray.
Why i don't give the prompt is, as i explained before, it is not safe considering we loose the keyboard or display. It is not rare case when you try new versions of Puppy.

The question is: Is it safe closing the tray manually?
I have no doubt there are no harm with closing tray manually.
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Sage

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 08:21 Post subject:

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In my experience [1], ... I see that I seem to have omitted the words "by default"

Jim Callaghan once gave some excellent advice "If you're in a hole. it's a good idea to stop digging"

You are still wrong!

Since you are determined to persist, let's make it clear that most distros auto-eject. That includes most compact distros even though most are not RAM resident.

Listing your career was also a mistake. I cannot recall encountering you in any of the Pegasus Autocode Users conferences? Nor reading of your switch-programmed (yes, it was spelt correctly back then) PDP11e exploits. Perhaps you were a CP/M developer? But then, some of us were already contemplating retirement at that time.

Hey-ho! My mistakes were not bringing my Cyrix, EverGreen and K6-II/III boards with me during my recent move and selling my ARM shares!

Jades

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 10:21 Post subject: Re: close tray

shinobar wrote:

Why i don't give the prompt is, as i explained before, it is not safe considering we loose the keyboard or display. I is not rare case when you try new versions of Puppy.

Good point, I was recently refurbishing an old machine where, for some reason, USB keyboard support had been disabled in BIOS. Luckily we weren't short of PS/2 ones! As I say, though, having PupsaveConfig automatically pop up once after the upgrade would help people choose what they wanted their system to do. Those creating new saves will have already chosen.

shinobar wrote:

The question is: Is it safe closing the try manually?
I have no doubt there are harm with closing tray manually.

It would probably be fine in the majority of cases, I expect it depends on the quality or type of the mechanism. They always used to say pushing the tray back in isn't a good idea so someone must have broken their drive at some point - I can't recall experiencing it myself, however. Something breaking the tray while it's out (person, cat, object) is more likely, IMHO.
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Jades

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 11:00 Post subject: New mtPaint and PBurn

There are new versions of mtPaint (3.44.03) and Pburn (3.5.2).

Forum thread for mtPaint

Forum thread for Pburn
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Jades

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Posted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 19:08 Post subject:

Sage wrote:

let's make it clear that most distros auto-eject. That includes most compact distros even though most are not RAM resident.

I concede that point on the grounds of your greater experience of Linux. I accept that I was unacceptably sloppy in my wording and should have been more precise in saying that my observations were made on the basis of my own experience and that others' would be different.

Sage wrote:

Listing your career was also a mistake.

I really do not see how you can make that assertion. At no point did I mean that you, or any other reader of this forum, were somehow less experienced than I. I only listed what I'd used as a point of reference.

Sage wrote:

I cannot recall encountering you in any of the Pegasus Autocode Users conferences? Nor reading of your switch-programmed (yes, it was spelt correctly back then) PDP11e exploits. Perhaps you were a CP/M developer? But then, some of us were already contemplating retirement at that time.

Leaving aside whether you actually know who I am or what I look like, I'll happily defer to your superior experience by saying that 1) I had to Google Pegasus Autocode (thought it was something to do with email) and 2) not only was I not born but I suspect that my father had not even met my mother then! Smile

Sage wrote:

Hey-ho! My mistakes were not bringing my Cyrix, EverGreen and K6-II/III boards with me during my recent move

You can never have too many spares! Very Happy

On a serious note, it's a pity you didn't retain a working K6 setup because one of the things that's always in the back of my mind is "is this actually broken, or is it my PC?" Leaving aside our current disagreement, I have always read your posts with interest and an extra pair of eyes on the 'retro-computing' side of things would be handy.

Sage wrote:

selling my ARM shares!

Depending on when you sold them, you could still be up! It's great that they're still going, that RISC OS 2 machine I mentioned earlier had an ARM 2 CPU. Amazing how far they've come since when they were part of Acorn.

I hope that we can both agree to disagree and return to making the positive contributions which you, and hopefully I, can make to Puppy Linux.
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bigpup

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Posted: Tue 10 Apr 2012, 01:02 Post subject:

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The question is: Is it safe closing the try manually?
I have no doubt there are harm with closing tray manually.

Most Laptop CD/DVD drives only work manually. They have a spring loaded tray that only has a manual release lock that holds it closed. When you hit open button, tray springs open and you have to manually, pull tray out and push tray in. No tray power drive. Keeps drive small and slim.

On drives with powered tray. Normally pushing tray in (small distance), activates the tray power drive, and it completes closing tray.
In a no power condition.
Pushing tray in manually still works , because tray drive motor is now free turning and mechanism is free to move.
Tray can also be manually unlocked, pulled out, and pushed back in.
When power is applied, position sensors detect tray position and tray system adjusts accordingly.

The only caution is to push tray straight in.
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Sage

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Posted: Tue 10 Apr 2012, 01:20 Post subject:

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I hope that we can both agree

graciously accepted. You're a real gent.

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