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Puppyt

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 20:18    Post subject:  

Very Happy
Thanks yet again, emil- as I have said before, you're a Legend.

I'll try that RKWard course you suggested, and thank you again for taking the time out again from your schedule for the Puppy "cause". I know that there has been a recent fracas elsewhere on the forum but I must say that you are a contributor who really represents the knowledge-sharing altruism that makes the Puppy Forum such a pleasure to visit.
I'll post back when I have progress, or readers can feel free to PM me.
Cheers!

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2011, 04:18    Post subject:  +1 to have rkward working for Puppy 5x  

I'm working with a few research groups and teching institutions, and every now and then some professor wants to provide to LiveCD to his/her students with GNU/Linux, R and some easy-GUI-for-newbies (university students from Biology or similar, not-purely technical students).

We use R extensively for work, and RKward is an excellent compromise to use a good (a quite full-featured) mature GUI for R, much more that its java-based equivalents, or emacs+ess (too techie), or eclipse+statet (too big/hungry on hardware resources).

So +1 if someone is able to create some rkward for puppy 5x.
(sorry, myskills on puppy are still too low; hopefully one day I'll be able to help myself).

And why puppy 5x? Well, it seems that it comes with much more i18n features out of the box, and our users are from first courses at university, and not all of them are good in English, so it's a plus if they can have most puppy in localized languages + keyboards with just a few clicks from the puppy gui also, etc.

Thanks heaps puppy-devs for all your nice work!

(year after year, I'm impressed of the nice evolution of the puppy community.... )
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun 2011, 04:51    Post subject:  

G'day, Xavi -
thanks for your input, and welcome to the Kennels!
I've had to ask the broader Puppy community for advice on this point (here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67566), and although there appears to be great interest in terms of number of views, no solution just yet. This weekend I think I'll go back to LightHouse, now in version 5.03 http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=499956#499956. I've drifted away from LHP last couple of years to less "fully featured" Puppy derivatives, but tazoc and his team always bring a rock-solid base to the community so perhaps I should start afresh there. I'll keep you posted - I bet even Flan is still looking for progress on this point. G'day to emil too - a belated "thanks" for your input earlier regarding the RKWard Dilemma on that thread listed above -
Cheers Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jun 2011, 02:47    Post subject:  

Hi PuppyT and all,
I had a short try on the problem of Rkward after your last posts.
Compiling R with the shared library switch is no problem. But I couldn't get one of the KDE-packages to run on 511 properly. Lighthouse pup has a tested KDE package as far as I am informed, so I guess it could be good base.
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jun 2011, 03:58    Post subject:  

Thanks very much emil -
I downloaded LHP 503 (and Mariner SFS plus others) over a week ago for testing on this very matter. Over the weekend and during bootup from CD (puppy pfix=ram) on my main desktop it borked badly, and did likewise under VM VirtualBox - something about the GEForce videocard, I suspect. Perhaps also I encountered problems because LHP likes to set up a save file before first boot, whereas I much prefer not doing that until satisfied that the Puppy distro is a "keeper". (Particularly as my XP is needing a fresh install and major spring-clean/defrag of all its partitions.) Anyway I lost a bit of impetus but will try in a few hours on my Lenovo T60 lappie. I also downloaded John Biles' Legacy2.0 to experiment with as, although it is puppy2.14-based, I think it meets the criteria as far as pre-installed KDE (3.5.x) and java are concerned.
Thank you very much for running those tests on the Community's behalf, emil - there does seem to be a wide interest in adding RKWard to the R repertoire in Puppy. More in a few hours,
Smile

UPDATE: 10 hours later, and I regret that I had problems on the T60 with both Legacy2 (which failed to complete booting from CD - all iso/cd integrity tests OK) and LHP 5.03. In the latter case I blame myself for poor preparation - LHP does things a little differently in terms of installation, and although I installed Mariner.SFS and also tried the LHP-repository's java pet (installed external to the main save file), emil's R+RCmdr lupu SFS installed but R kept dropping out. A quick test from the console revealed a problem with a shared library. There were also other strange bash issues (the only thing I know about bash involves my forehead and a brick wall) and the JRE manager appeared to 'forget' settings saved from the last shutdown. So I'll wipe that and arrange a frugal re-install, and if pain persists I'll email tazoc for some hints. LHP is a very different puppy to what I'm used to, but I like what I've seen (outside R) and will persevere.

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Oct 2011, 17:01    Post subject: R for slacko  

Updated first post for R sfs compiled in slacko RC
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alas

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec 2011, 18:13    Post subject:  

thank you very much for the update.

I have a question regarding R. I have tried to update the library in order to get packages that are provided for R 2.14 only (as f.ex. the tm package), but can not get the list updated. I think I am missing the dev package in order to do that. Is it possible to include it within your sfs, or should we wait for 2.14 for puppy? thanks a lot for your work!

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 03:14    Post subject:  

Hi,

I will not include the developement files in the R sfs. Usually every Puppy linux ships with a special "devx" sfs package which includes this tools. I don't know which puppy Linux version you use, but if we assume you use slacko you would have to download
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/puppy-5.3.1/devx_slacko_5.3.1.sfs
Usually the creater of a puppy variant publishes a download link for the right devx sfs together with the iso file.

I am not the right source for details of the update process - I have never done this before. Maybe someone who have accomplished this can enlight us.
I also found this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1401904/painless-way-to-install-a-new-version-of-r-on-windows
but you probably know it already...

merry christmas Very Happy
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alas

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Dec 2011, 06:34    Post subject:  

thanks emil, indeed, I am running slacko and I have forgotten that I can use the devx sfs package for puppy slacko. I shall try that and report back.

I usually do (within R):

update.packages (lib.loc = "/usr/local/R/library/")

in order to update the libraries. This "should" enable to back port packages which are not available for R 2.13.2. Now, there are probably other ways, as f.ex. installing an older version of the needed packages. However, a newer one is always better. Thanks again for your work, and merry christmas to you.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Dec 2011, 05:50    Post subject:  

alas,

thinking twice you might also need to add gfortran which unfortunately is not included by default in puppies devx. (I would prefer it very much over other stuff like Vala or bacon which IMHO is not really used very much, but adds nothing to the compatibility or ability to compile lots of important software packages //Rant mode off - it's christmas Very Happy )

So if you have problems updating R maybe also install gfortran beside devx (pet on this forum section should work, else use package manager).

cheers Cool
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec 2011, 07:21    Post subject:  

emil,

thanks again. I did install the devx file only, and I have updated R packages easily with update.packages() from within R.

Then, I have added missing packages manually (I have downloaded the last version of the packages from the cran archive, and I have installed their deps). After that, I can install missing packages from within R without issue.

Thanks again for your help on this, happy new year!

alas
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan 2012, 17:35    Post subject: R-2.14.1
Subject description: for Saluki
 

I made very simple pet packages for the new Saluki Puppy:
R-2.14.1-i486.pet (18 MB)
R_DEV-2.14.1-i486.pet (88 K)
R_DOC-2.14.1-i486.pet (14 M)
R_NLS-2.14.1-i486.pet (733 K)
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R-2.14.1-Saluki.sfs


Type was just ./configure, make, new2dir make install.
Start with Menu entry (Business) or from the commandline with R
As far as I know it should also work in Wary and Racy.
Please test Very Happy
emil

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan 2012, 19:04    Post subject:  

Thanks emil Smile
I want to get back to developing an "R-Puppy" over the coming months and these will be very helpful,
Cheers!

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 16:29    Post subject:  

thanks a lot for these new packages emil.

a R-puppy would be a very nice project... but as i am using emacs now, i am thinking about another thing: why not a kind of 'emacs-puppy' which would integrate everything -- like for instance R using EMS, and also org-mode (which is amazing by the way) -- on a quasi barbone puppy? The advantage would be to have a very light distro, a powerfull editor doing most of the job, and some external apps for the remaining tasks -- a kind of emacs-as-os on steroids? just thinking loud though...

all the best,

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012, 10:48    Post subject:  

I am a bit slow to reply these days.
Emacs puppy sounds good, but I think it should be easy to install in any puppy anyway. Emacs will always appeal to advanced users, and it is impossible to include all mods or add-ons, but maybe use the new bar-bone Saluki as a base for it?
All the best for your project
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