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Windows won't see the FAT32 part of my Puppy SDHC card
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sfeeley

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 17:59    Post subject:  Windows won't see the FAT32 part of my Puppy SDHC card  

I am dual booting Windows 7 on HD, and PUppy 5.28 frugal installed on SDHC card.

The SDHC card has two partitions:
1) ext2 (contains frugal install)
2) fat32 to share data with windows 7

However, Windows 7 doesn't recognize that my SDHC card has a second partition. Is there a way to get Windows to see it?
(it only sees one partition, and thinks that this is unformatted)

thanks
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 20:28    Post subject:  

Sfeeley, I could be wrong but I think she'll be seen if you reverse the order.. i.e., your fat part first.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 21:01    Post subject:  

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your fat part first


sounds just like me Very Happy

seriously: what do I do about boot flags? (write now the first ext2 paritition is flagged bootable)
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 21:07    Post subject:  

If I were in your shoes I'd repartition, not change flags.

Couldn't take more than fifteen minutes or so..

You have a spare card you could test?
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 22:12    Post subject:  

Are the two partitions primary or logical?
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 00:11    Post subject:  

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Are the two partitions primary or logical?


sorry-- I don't understand what that means

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If I were in your shoes I'd repartition, not change flags.


So I think you're suggesting repartition so that
partition 1: fat32
partition 2: ext2 (with frugal install)?

Do I make the second partition (ext2) flagged as bootable since thats what I'll run puppy from?
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 01:13    Post subject:  

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Do I make the second partition (ext2) flagged as bootable since thats what I'll run puppy from?

Yes.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 08:11    Post subject:  

Here's an explanation of primary and logical partitions.

Wikipedia also has an explanation here.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 09:21    Post subject:  

Ext2 File System Driver for Windows

Works for me very well . Installed the latest i think on XP and was able to mount even ext4 partitions .

I have installed it on 7-Starter some time ago earlier where it did not assign some drive letters . Don't know the version there for now .
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 09:47    Post subject:  

thanks--
I'll try reformatting in reverse order (keeping boot flag with the ext2) when I get a chance to sit down and back everything up.

One last question-- I think I saw somewhere that one of the following (ext2, ext3, or ext4) is a bit faster on flash cards?


(and Karl-- thanks for the ext2 file driver suggestion--I'll look into it, but I'm always super slow to install anything to windows)
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 12:39    Post subject:  

I would also try actually doing it from Windows - it has NO excuse then!
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 18:38    Post subject:  

Sfeeley, as the bootable Pup iso handles your frugal transfer- there's no need for any boot flags.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 09:37    Post subject:  

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One last question-- I think I saw somewhere that one of the following (ext2, ext3, or ext4) is a bit faster on flash cards?


ext3 and ext4 have journals that write permanently to the drive .

ext2 writes less to the drive .

But for flash so cheap that it is not worth all the fsck troubles IMHO Laughing caused by ext2 if hard poweroffs occur .

ext4 is really fast if it comes to fsck compared to ext3 .

Later than kernel 2.6.30.5 ext4 fs have also a feature for SSD cards :

specifying mount options for partition [SOLVED]
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:25    Post subject:  

Regarding problems caused by hard poweroffs:

For years I have kept a FAT32 flash drive plugged into an old computer that I use at work for viewing test pictures that I take with digital cameras. The computer has 512MB of RAM and no hard disk. Every morning I turn on the power and Puppy automatically boots from a multisession CD that I leave in the DVD drive. I mount the flash drive and go about my work. I leave the flash drive mounted so that I can copy test pictures to it, so I'll have a record of what I've been doing. At the end of the day I simply turn off the power to the computer without first going to the trouble of unmounting the flash drive.

I've been doing this for years without any apparent corruption of the data in the FAT32 flash drive or other problem caused by not unmounting it before turning off the power to the computer.

My conclusion is that if there's nothing currently in the process of being written to a flash drive at the instant the power is lost, power loss will not cause a problem for the data in the flash drive. I suppose that the risk of using a journaling filesystem is that the OS may occasionally generate something to write to the flash drive without you being aware of it.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012, 01:20    Post subject:  

Karl Godt wrote:

sfeeley wrote:

One last question-- I think I saw somewhere that one of the following (ext2, ext3, or ext4) is a bit faster on flash cards?



ext3 and ext4 have journals that write permanently to the drive .

ext2 writes less to the drive .

But for flash so cheap that it is not worth all the fsck troubles IMHO Laughing caused by ext2 if hard poweroffs occur .

ext4 is really fast if it comes to fsck compared to ext3 .


I can vouch for the ex2fsd windows driver. Works well, but does not support ext4 extents. However I have tried ext2fsd with mke2fs -O flex_bg(a ext4 style extra fs option) It requires administrator access to install.

I would not use journalling on a USB drive. Its a personal opinion. When I use these drives either under Linux or Windows I prefer write delayed caching and this sort of defeats the purpose of a journal that must be synced frequently to recover data in case of powerfail. I prefer the risk in exchange for prolonging the life of the USB drive. I would not rely on a single USB drive to backup important data, however. Several is a better bet. I have never had a powerfail with a USB drive but have had issues with bad blocks or some kind of failure on a couple of them.

I have formatted USB drives with fat16, fat32, ext2 and ext4. ext4 (formated with mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal etc ) is the best format I have tried for saving important backups on a USB drive. Next best is ext2. I would use ext2 if I needed to share data with Windows computers with the ext2fsd driver installed.

I had the same problem with a dual partitioned drive a while back (before I discovered ext2fsd) and ended up using fat16 or fat32 formatted single partition USB drives to share data. gparted also includes an option to hide a partition. It may be possible to "hide" the ext2 partition and see if it windows can then see the fat partition but its a messy solution. If you cant find a way to partition the USB drive in a way to help windows see its partition along the lines of the posts already in this thread then I would format the entire drive as ext2 (and use ext2fsd) or format the entire drive as a fat partition.
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