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My new OS concept
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Do you like and support the concept?
Yes
84%
 84%  [ 11 ]
No
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
It may not matter if the global economy crashes. ;D~
15%
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Total Votes : 13

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mysticmarks


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 02:24    Post subject:  My new OS concept
Subject description: update
 

So after a crazy divorce, a struggle to stay financially afloat, and a period of recovery, I am happy to say I seek to be back up to date with the works!
I noticed that the build chains emerging FROM woof cross builds aren't very large. Has there been any particular reason? Barry, I've looked over T2's new material. It looks good. I'm going to restart my work on a new OS concept. A fully amorphous and looped FS...a skeleton key or survival OS of sorts. After review of every distro I've ever found, I did some hard thinking about the whole deal.
I feel that Puppy itself, Slitaz, and 2 others can be combined with puppy barebones to chain step through to a top level system with each stage being user/dev friendly. Combining this concept with a new decentralized package system i'm ready to begin work on, I intend on forging a new OS. The one that gobbles up all the rest. The one that has the flexibility and durability to truly be an amorphous OS.
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 03:18    Post subject:
Subject description: Building it
 

Would this be in some ways like Saluki's ability to build a version with only the apps one wanted?
Also, while on that subject, I think any build should initially have ALL WIFI drivers included.
The main reason for this is to not have a cache-22 condition where the driver needed is available for download, but cannot be downloaded for lack of a WIFI driver to gain internet access.
I have ran into this very thing with a laptop that needed a driver that was not included with text to the effect that one could download the needed driver.
So what platform are you shooting for?
And how old of a PC is it to be made for initially?
Are you thinking of also trying to branch to the touch screen devices with their variety of processors?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Oh, and although I voted, you are not very clear as to what one is voting on. Is it our thoughts on this new project you are thinking of taking on?
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 14:30    Post subject:  

Any chance of a fork to Arm?

What would be useful to me, and no idea if do-able, is kernel tweaking on the fly.....driver/lib/settings/language/etc not included?, ....no problem...run this script, then re-start...sorted....kind of idea...?

I'd love to see an OS that was just that....a small fast OS for ANY hardware.....
software is after...heck, why is it even running if I'm not using it...?
If I need it load, use, unload

n'est-ce pas?

btw...good to see you recovered.... Wink Very Happy

I would have voted for the 3rd option...but - it may all change

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 16:53    Post subject: more details  

Yeah guys! I noticed that a few versions of linux using aufs Layer the kernels! SOOOoo...if instead of our curent simple init scheme with just a few options, I'm thinking of a chipset and hardware step where puppy rolls through at boot. I need to get the PM system built. Im pretty sure THAT alone is going to change how linux is looked at. Its the core of the OS really.
Yes, ARM, x86, x64, SPARC. Ideally, we should be able to litterally boot on device A, instal OR migrate TO device B LIVE...then boot device B and run through either as new, or as the original. Is this making sense?
Iif you have it on a PC and want to embed the lowest level running version of the base on a device you do it; with that same lowest level, it should be able to aquire a connection on the new device and pull in the rest of the system again unaided. This is definitely doable.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 17:11    Post subject:  

Query

Can it be net-bootable/net-transferable, i.e X86 PC with base goes through boot/hardware recognition, then loads 'an OS image'....at the same time an Arm PC connects to a server to find the same image but for Arm base.... or is that what you meant or too big a leap??

I'm very interested in this concept, which has percolated a few times

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 17:32    Post subject:  

Exactly! Its AMORPHOUS in that way. Barry proved loop mounting with Puppy. Scripts and the bare CL interface will be the low content. Im thinking one superscript that is retained always. and executes with a universal purpose of migration.
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 17:59    Post subject:  

Quote:
new decentralized package system

Don't want to sound trollish but it sounds like "reinventing the wheel" ? Confused
or where you thinking about taking the best parts of each OS and putting it together?
sounds neat Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 01:40    Post subject:  

The later. I'm combining many unique characteristics from distros and software.
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 02:19    Post subject:  

But if you combine a single user OS with several multi user OS
then the end result will be a multi user OS that maybe can chose
to be single if one want to or will it always be multi user Smile

Some OS makes it impossible to be root.
What ideas do you have on that issue?

Edit Sorry, my poor grasp of English stumble over the interpretation
of you using the word amorphous.

You mean Modular or easy to change on the fly maybe?

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 11:32    Post subject:  

good question, nooby....amorphous is a slippy-slidey interpretative word Very Happy

On the fly is good, IMHO....- personally I've never needed a 2nd user account/log-in...I just rename savefiles for friends... Wink
That way it doesn't matter what they do....except reboot into my setup, which I ask them not to, or explain why I might kill them... Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 12:17    Post subject:  

Can someone explain to me what mysticmarks is thinking, only in plain (American) English? I'm afraid I never learned enough software stuff (programming, etc.) to understand this... and my education was not the best that my country could do (which would still be pretty lousy IMO).
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 19:53    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,

In simple terms, its a "one size fits all" loopfs which I think allows layering of different filesystems together, depending on the distro apps there..
Am I close???

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:39    Post subject:  

Quote:
In simple terms, its a "one size fits all" loopfs which I think allows layering of different filesystems together, depending on the distro apps there..
Am I close???

yes - an fine paradox Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:45    Post subject:  

...okay, one more important question...

What the *#&$ is a "loop filesystem"? I looked it up on wiki and got a whole buncha jargon gobbledygook that I couldn't understand because I'm not a hardcore Linux programmer... so if someone can explain in Simple English, I'd be rather appreciative.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 08:05    Post subject:  

No offence or offense maybe intended but what if the OP
just want to test if we get a joke? Some guys love to have fun?

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