Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[nooby]

Does Xubuntu 11.10 have all the codex and programs for Flash
and such that LinuxMint 12 have or are Xubuntu like Ubuntu that
you have to download and install for to get Flash?

I use LM12 LXDE and wonder if that one are as lite or lean
as xfce is supposed to be? Are them very similar?

[Tman]

I tried Slitaz 4.0 and was really impressed. Did you know that you can have a frugal install of Slitaz along side Puppy in your Grub4Dos bootloader menu?
http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/howto-make-a-frugal-install-with-grub4dos

With the frugal install, Slitaz does not auto-save on shutdown, but instead you need to issue the terminal command "tazusb writefs gzip"
However, a frugal install in Slitaz is not as easy to set up as it is in Puppy.

But like Puppy, Slitaz is small, and extremely fast.
On my system, Slitaz is smaller than Puppy even after I install all the similiar types of packages. This is becuase Slitaz does not use a savefile...it compresses it's entire filesystem upon save into a single "rootfs.gz" file and loads that file at startup. The previous rootfs.gz file gets backed up, but it can be removed to reduce space.

Eg. Think of Puppy using only the main.sfs at bootup. Once you save, it would compress everything into a new main sfs, backing up the old one...it would not use a save file.

What I don't like about Slitaz is that I don't feel the sense of community in the Slitaz forum compared to Puppy. Also, the Puppy forum contains a lot more useful information. (IMO)
But currently I have both Puppy and Slitaz on my computer and switch whenever I get bored.
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[nooby]

Thanks Tman. Yes I should look into that save thing your talk about.
I am so lazy these days Remind me if I don't tell the result withing a month
or two I am totally immersed in fixing a Bike to use for the Summer.

[Tman]

Here is a teaser pic of my frugal Slitaz-4,0. It is very portable, and there is never a need to run a remaster script. When it saves, it essentially does a remaster.

It uses the default LXDE openbox + lxpanel. I stole the looks of the bottom panel from Lubuntu.

[nooby]

Could you compare with your grub4dos menu.lst


title SliTaz 4 usernam root psw root
root (hd0,1)
kernel /slitaz4boot/bzImage root=/dev/null rw lang=en_US kmap=fi-latin1 vga=791 screen=1024x768x24
initrd /slitaz4boot/rootfs4.gz /slitaz4boot/rootfs3.gz /slitaz4boot/rootfs2.gz /slitaz4boot/rootfs1.gz

Do you also need all these
initrd /slitaz4boot/rootfs4.gz /slitaz4boot/rootfs3.gz /slitaz4boot/rootfs2.gz /slitaz4boot/rootfs1.gz

or have they come up with some shorter version with one such file?

[Tman]

@nooby,

I gave a tutorial in the link several posts above.

You only need 2 files to boot with a Slitaz frugal. Those 2 files are bzImage and rootfs.gz

But there is a problem: Slitaz 4.0 has split up rootfs into 4 separate files. These files can be combined in different ways for various types of setups. The default setup is acheived when all 4 rootfs*.gz files are extracted.

How to install from Puppy:
Create a folder named /mnt/home/boot and copy all 4 rootfs files and the "bzImage" file into that folder.
Next, type the following terminal commands to make a single rootfs.gz file:

[nooby]

Much appreciated such detailed answer.
I have to test it but being totally immersed in
getting my summer bike ready will make me
have to wait some days or week maybe

But I will note the bookmark on a to do list so I never forget it.

[starhawk]

Found this last night, aimlessly googling around for something entirely different.

http://tiny.seul.org/en/index.html

It's called TINY Linux, and it looks positively antique. None of the emails work, that I can tell at least, but it may be still downloadable. Are there any derivatives or anything, or did it just die of old age?

I'm thinking of beefing it up (if I can learn enough) to work on a Dell Latitude CPi that I have -- 300mhz P-II CPU, 128mb RAM, 12gb HDD, battery may or may not work (I don't trust it!)... you get the picture. Tricky bit is that the graphics are some NeoMagic thing that seems to have been killed by ATi/nVIDIA some time ago -- at least, I've never heard of it in any other place.

Trouble with the CPi is that it's too low power for any modern Puppy. Even ClassicPup, TurboPup, and Puplite5 are too big for it (I've tried). Well... TurboPup worked but had other issues, to be fair.

I might try this TINY Linux on it, but I'm a little scared that the graphics packages available for that distro may not be new enough for the laptop! (I also severely doubt it supports ACPI...)

[nooby]

Google find others that also are curious on it.
I don't remember that I have tested it and I
am totally immersed in getting a bike ready for the summer.

"I found a distro of called 'Tiny Linux' here http://tiny.seul.org/en/index.html this is based on Slackware 4.0. I've had it down to 35M as an install ..."

So depending on what the developer changed it should work like Slackware.
does it say which window manager it use?

[starhawk]

I'm pretty sure it's bare X, with whatever minimal extra stuff is needed to make for a (presumably barely) usable desktop. I can report that it's downloadable -- I just finished getting all the ZIPs.

Looks intriguing, though...

[James C]

Speaking of LMDE........Ubuntu is a total nonstarter now with that Unity/Gnome 3 stuff so I may run this....

[nooby]

James I make use of LM 12 LXDE and have not tested
LMDE 12 due to one most likely need to do full install
for it to work at all? Have you tested LM 12 LXDE
which is a ubuntu style version wile LMDE is Debian

[James C]

[harii4]

Testing Salix LXDE 13.37 - right now on an old DEll Latitude C540/C640.
Full install - really nice

[nooby]

A fast but maybe not politically correct way to test the LM12 LXDE is
to use my "cheat" frugal install. It allows a freedom close to root
but is less secure obviously.


title LM12 LXDE 2012 frugal iso boot of LM12 LM12LXDE
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso
kernel /LM12LXDE/casper/vmlinuz rw file=/cdrom/preseed/mint.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/linuxmint-12-lxde-cd-32bit.iso ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram kmap=se LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 keymap=sv-latin1 noeject noprompt persistent --
initrd /LM12LXDE/casper/initrd.lz

One have to use puppy to move some directories like casper
and preseed but most likely isolinux is not needed on NTFS
how it works on linux formatting I have not tested.

Change the codes that is unique for my set up like HD
and language.
It is a good way to get it installed on USB one boot
it live using my code from HD and then tell it to install
on USB. Have done that two times and it works well.
No need for burning DVD