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shinobar


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 08:20    Post subject: Good news/bad news.  
shinobar wrote:
BYW, the FULL install of the Saluki-21 is working so far.

Good news/bad news. Laughing
Fresh install, installed nvidia driver from the sfs, a samml pet, post the report here with midori.
Second or third boot, shutdown failure/looping back to desktop every time. Need to hardware reset.

Reboot PC ... got 'shutting down' message ... comes back the desktop. The LAN was disconnected ... tried frisbie, but the NIC driver not found ... Go down to the console, typed 'poweroff' ... comes back desktop ... Hard reset by the power button.

EDIT:
Power on ... got console ... typed 'xwin' ... got desktop ... posted from the midori ... reboot PC ... this time the PC reboots normally Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 08:34    Post subject: Re: "saving to a file", or "saving to a partition"  
shinobar wrote:
greengeek wrote:
what I didn't realise is that the question about "saving to a file", or "saving to a partition"

You have used the legacy interface at the pupsaveconfig, i guess. The GUI of the pupsaveconfig never asks and does not support the "saving to a partition". I think it is buggy and troublesome.

How to do NOT:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62476


Perhaps the Legacy button should be removed at this point?
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 08:36    Post subject: Re: Installers  
shinobar wrote:
I was a bit confused in doing FULL install the Saluki for testing.
The Gparted and the Puppy universal installer are found in the menu under 'system', but the grub4dos is not there.
The grub4dos is under the Control Panel > 'system', but the Puppy universal installer is not there. Rolling Eyes

BYW, the FULL install of the Saluki-21 is working so far.


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 08:40    Post subject: Re: Good news/bad news.  
shinobar wrote:
shinobar wrote:
BYW, the FULL install of the Saluki-21 is working so far.

Good news/bad news. Laughing
Fresh install, installed nvidia driver from the sfs, a samml pet, post the report here with midori.
Second or third boot, shutdown failure/looping back to desktop every time. Need to hardware reset.

Reboot PC ... got 'shutting down' message ... comes back the desktop. The LAN was disconnected ... tried frisbie, but the NIC driver not found ... Go down to the console, typed 'poweroff' ... comes back desktop ... Hard reset by the power button.

EDIT:
Power on ... got console ... typed 'xwin' ... got desktop ... posted from the midori ... reboot PC ... this time the PC reboots normally Rolling Eyes


My thought is to add

Code:
export LANG=C


To the top of rc.shutdown. This should make the problem go away if it's related to localization somehow.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 08:50    Post subject: Re: Savefile update 020 to 021  
oliverjames wrote:
I have been updating the save file by simply copying it to the folder containing the new Saluki system files.
Generally this has passed without problems. On the latest 021 version however this process worked on one machine (Aspire TimelineX i5) but not on another (Eeebox 1502).

Updating the Eeebox by converting the old savefile gave rise to extremely sluggish performance.

I tried another method, creating a new savefile and then copying certain config files across from the old, .mozilla for example.

Now the Eeebox runs perfectly.

Using the "lazy" option of letting the system upgrade the savefile doesn't seem to have had an impact on the Aspire laptop so I'm curious as to the recommended safe method.

Best regards,

Oliverjames


Upgrading the save file has always been like this. Most of the time it works - sometimes EPIC FAIL for no apparent reason.

Booting with pfix=purge may or may not fix a bad save file.

You can build a personal sfs with all the pets you normally install using the sfs builder. But this will not be able to overwrite any configuration settings that exist in the adrive or the pupsfs since extra sfses are mounted on the bottom of the union. But you could fix that by converting your personal sfs to a pet instead.

Maybe a pet-builder would be useful.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 08:54    Post subject:  
Quote:
drblock2

Today, at 1:14 pm
Subject description: Shutdown delay Reply with quote
Lucid Puppy 5.2.8-005 has a serious shutdown delay problem on my AMD Athlon 2400 (single processor), frugal installation. Fortunately, I was able to track down the source of the problem.
...
I have no idea whether this problem is related to the other shutdown problems discussed earlier in the forum. In any case, it does not occur in Wary 5.3 or Slack 5.3.2.7, which shut down normally on my machine. I seem to remember a similar delay with Puppy 4.3.1, but I never did find a solution back then.


As for rc.shutdown, attempt to open it crashed the entire edifice. Note that apart from rc.shutdown, also have ditto.orig, ditto.pot and ditto.pupdev present.
Will attempt to delete these with a liveSlackoCD and report back tomorrow.
Seems that shutdown issues are emerging all over the woodwork...
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 09:11    Post subject: Re: Good news/bad news.  
jemimah wrote:
My thought is to add

Code:
export LANG=C


To the top of rc.shutdown. This should make the problem go away if it's related to localization somehow.

Maybe no. I was under 'en_US' locale at the test.
I suspect the nvidia driver, changing some libralies when the desktop is running. But not sure. Laughing


Sorry for the grub4dos in the menu. I was testing my new package of the grub4dos. But still i think the menu and the Control panel are confusing.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 09:20    Post subject:  
Yes I change the desktop file for grub4dos so it shows up in the system menu - but not in the control panel.

Package managers show up in both the menu and the control panel because windows users will look for Add/Remove programs.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 09:27    Post subject:  
The only reason it would restart X that I can think of, is if it's killing the shell (or logging off) on tty1. If that shell dies, mingetty will respawn it, and rerun /etc/profile.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 10:12    Post subject: exec vwin  
jemimah wrote:
The only reason it would restart X that I can think of, is if it's killing the shell (or logging off) on tty1. If that shell dies, mingetty will respawn it, and rerun /etc/profile.

Hum... Is it why Barry moved 'exec xwin' from /etc/profile to /root/.profile... Rolling Eyes

/root/.profile in recent woof wrote:
#120221 moved this code here from /etc/profile, also take 'exec' prefix off call to xwin.
(snip)
#want to go straight into X on bootup only...
if [ ! -f /tmp/bootcnt.txt ];then
touch /tmp/bootcnt.txt
#exec xwin
#xwin & #110804 110807
xwin
fi

Well... /tmp/bootcnt.txt can be ...
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 10:17    Post subject:  
I don't think it makes any difference in this case. /root/.profile should be executed right after /etc/profile.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 10:27    Post subject: respawn  
jemimah wrote:
if it's killing the shell (or logging off) on tty1. If that shell dies, mingetty will respawn it, and rerun /etc/profile.

I am not sure when Barry changed the /etc/inittab, but it was somewhere between Puppy-4.x to 5.x.
Seeing his comment, he was aware of the X coming back problem in last summer, i guess.
If the mingetty will respawn the shell, the flag /tmp/bootcnt.txt can be deleted before. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 10:30    Post subject:  
Quote:
Well... /tmp/bootcnt.txt can be ...

deleted in rc.shutdown .. in full installs .. or frugal pupmode 12 on HDD
also unmounted in rc.shutdown for frugals having /tmp mounted as tmpfs ..

Barry has done some code adjustments to rc.shutdown recently .

Is Saluki still based on racy woof 5.2(.x) ?

(One note about thunar : Thunar uses a trash dir , so i was having problems deleting files larger than the remaining free space in the pupsave-file)
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 10:43    Post subject: shutdown ... but reboot  
Same as before:
/root/.profile in recent woof wrote:
#120221 moved this code here from /etc/profile, also take 'exec' prefix off call to xwin.
(snip)
#want to go straight into X on bootup only...
if [ ! -f /tmp/bootcnt.txt ];then
touch /tmp/bootcnt.txt
#exec xwin
#xwin & #110804 110807
xwin
fi

Anothe Barry's comment:
rc.shutdown wrote:
#110928 fixed, reboots when choose shutdown. very old bug, dates back to 2009.
(snip)
#120409 experimenting with minit, i discovered "rm -rf /tmp/*" is killing mingetty. initrd.gz wipes it, have added code to wipe for full hd install at bootup..
#rm -rf /tmp/*.

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 10:50    Post subject:  
Managed to find a few moments this afternoon. Using a liveCD, I was able to rename the four options for rc.shutdown in my FULL. Reverting rc.shutdown to ditto.orig had no effect - looping back to desktop continued. Hit the jackpot with ditto.pupdev, though. at least three shutdowns worked as advertised. Where and why did rc.shutdown.pupdev come from?
Well done to the eagle-eyed drblock2!
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