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rokytnji


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2012, 17:21    Post subject:  

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My advise to Linux users: PATIENCE!


But it can be so hard sometimes hribarj. Wink

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@roky It was ignorant of me to expect free help from the type of individuals who choose to use this terrible platform. Your generic advise didn't help and wasn't appreciated.


We are Just volunteers. Just trying to do the pay it foward. Kinda like Old Bikers around a campfire showing the younger bikers the tricks we have learned through experience.

Being a Biker myself. Not a IT professional. Disrespect me at a Campfire, you might end up on your butt.

Online. You just made the ignore list. I can relate to being a babe lost in the woods. I can't relate to being disrespectful or not being polite when requesting help , whether a windows user,linux user or a biker.

If the above person had been a biker and his motorcycle had broke down and I pulled over to give assistance. Well. With that attitude. He would have seen my dust trail. Smile

I can only speak for myself. If you have the desire for adventure. Follow instructions from heads wiser than you.

Be Respectful

I for one will do my best if it is my my power to help. AS do many other members on this forum do. You will be surprised actually on the knowledge base here at Murga and the friendly responses on this forum. I am a Happy Harley Rider and Puppy Linux user.

Happy Trails, Rok
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jobo

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 14:11    Post subject:  

my feed back, after a couple of days, is its likely rebuilding a car engine with the instuctions from ikea, there are pages of instruction bthey mean nothing to me, open this,,,, tranfere to that,, open a fat partision on your hard drive, a what ? i keep going from one ref source to another trying to find a starting point that i understand

I know this is largly my problem, but i cant be alone in finding it pages of jibberish, there needs to be a idiots dummies guide that assumes no prior knowlwdge at all and takes you through it in a logical order

the problem is , that very clever people who know it backwards cant believe you need to be told something as obvious as that, where as i do
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 20:53    Post subject:  

jobo wrote:
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there needs to be a idiots dummies guide that assumes no prior knowledge at all and takes you through it in a logical order

Try these:
www.puppylinux.com
www.puppylinux.org
Take your time and read thoroughly.
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jobo

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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 14:22    Post subject:  

thanks
but the feedback im giving as a renewbee pupy user, at now 3 days and about 30 hours hair pulling, is that if linux in general and pupy in particular want to get out the computer fanatic market and into the main stream then its needs to be able to install and have it operating at a base level in about 4 hours, any persistance beyond that is based on being obsesive or in my case desperate, any one who just want to use a computer to do somethingwould just give up

the fixation with using a cd is a ( my) problem, but as its designed for old/ailing computers, having a prerequirement that you are either an expert or have a cd burner is a barrier to its use

one of those links gave the advice that if you dont have a computer with a cd burner, then get one ? if i had a working computer with a burner i wouldnt be doing this in the first place, if fact cds at all are becoming rares with notebookes etc
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killapup


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 04:12    Post subject: newbie jitters
Subject description: bumpy start to puppy
 

G'day all,

I'm fairly new to linux in general and Puppy in particular, I'm finding it a bit clunky especially after MacOSX. To fill everyone in, my son-in-law gave me an old Hp t5000 series thin client and told me about small linux OSes that work. Bless his cotton socks... ggrrr Darren.

Anyway, the upshot is that I have been playing with Puppy for about a month now and sort of enjoying it, it certainly is challenging. In short, I have had one install that went well until I somehow blew the boot sector, in the process of trying to clone the working install to a larger pendrive.

Fortunately, I was able to get my second install, after a few false starts mostly due to not making notes along the way, loaded onto a 4Gb pendrive. Unfortunately, this install doesn't seem to be as good, not sure why, as it was done from the same liveCD as the first, I'm using Slacko 5.3, and it seems quite good generally but some things seem to be broken or just very slow to start. Crying or Very sad

Over the next little while, I will be posting questions to resolve some of these issues. In the meantime, I will be trying things to find out how the whole system works. I've had a little experience with command line stuff through OSX Terminal but some/most commands are different or not available in Puppy compared to OSX, for obvious reasons.

I will continue to use OSX as my main OS but will continue to hammer Puppy into shape as long as I can find something useful to use it for, I have an idea for it.

Ok, I'll say 'woof, woof' for now and catch you later in the forum.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 05:36    Post subject:  

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if linux in general and pupy in particular want to get out the computer fanatic market and into the main stream


Why would we want to do that?
Mainstream is no FUN.
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jobo

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 07:48    Post subject:  

WindUpToy wrote:
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if linux in general and pupy in particular want to get out the computer fanatic market and into the main stream


Why would we want to do that?
Mainstream is no FUN.


i thought it was in the ''mission statement'' of the linux community to allow the wider public in on the fun and break the strangle hold MS has on the computer market, other wise there is no point in developing user friendly interfaces

the fact is that the benefit of linux is you can mess with it, the downside is you have to mess with it if you want to or not just to get any sort of functionality in it at all. if i could just get it working at base level i could then take my time learning how to make it do more do it better, but i cant even get passed level one and judging by the number of questions in here, neither can quite a lot of people

as the point i made above it seems to require a base level of computer knowledge well above that of the average windows user just to get started

burning an ISO is by no means an easy process for us newbies, even if they had a cd burner

there must be technical reasons why there cant be an automated process of down load, press install and it works at base level, but until there is, it seems destined to remain in the hobby class

my failed install has taught me a lot about how computers operate and i feel im ready to learn the next stage,, but it still doesnt work and im at a complete loss what to do next other than keep checking my post to see if any one has offered any help to me yet on what to do next
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jobo

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 21:08    Post subject:  

just to up date my feed back above, ive now achieved my aim of a running puppy in win 98 with no cd burner or live cd, which looking at it now could have been done in under two hours with some ease, reinforcing the point i made above, maybe walking round with a bemused distracted look for a few days is the rite of passage for linux, but i suspect many would have given it up by day two
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr 2012, 21:31    Post subject:  

jobo wrote:
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maybe walking round with a bemused distracted look for a few days is the rite of passage for linux

This also applies to Windows.
It, too, is a challenge for newbies to learn.
Because it has been around for decades, people tend to forget that.
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RetroTechGuy


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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 11:39    Post subject:  

Dewbie wrote:
jobo wrote:
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maybe walking round with a bemused distracted look for a few days is the rite of passage for linux

This also applies to Windows.
It, too, is a challenge for newbies to learn.
Because it has been around for decades, people tend to forget that.


We aren't just talking about "using", but the discussion is referring to installation of the OS...

Puppy Linux is far easier to install than Windows (and far, far faster to install, and to load).

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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 11:54    Post subject:  

jobo wrote:
WindUpToy wrote:
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if linux in general and pupy in particular want to get out the computer fanatic market and into the main stream


Why would we want to do that?
Mainstream is no FUN.


i thought it was in the ''mission statement'' of the linux community to allow the wider public in on the fun and break the strangle hold MS has on the computer market, other wise there is no point in developing user friendly interfaces

the fact is that the benefit of linux is you can mess with it, the downside is you have to mess with it if you want to or not just to get any sort of functionality in it at all. if i could just get it working at base level i could then take my time learning how to make it do more do it better, but i cant even get passed level one and judging by the number of questions in here, neither can quite a lot of people


I like the fact that Puppy isn't loaded with every piece of software known to man. This keeps it small and fast.

The average user doesn't need much more than the ability to make a spreadsheet, write a document, watch a video, and browse the web. Puppy does all of those very well.

If you want access to every software name known to man, you may want to try WinXP, Win7, Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, .... All of them are very large, all of them take quite long to boot (or login), as a result of their size.

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as the point i made above it seems to require a base level of computer knowledge well above that of the average windows user just to get started


That would also be true to install Win98 (or XP, or 7) on a computer... Try performing a Win98 on a system with a new, blank HDD...

Puppy has the advantage that doesn't actually need to be installed on the HDD, one can just boot the live-CD.

If the user wants, they can plug in a flash drive and run their lupsave from there (then it doesn't even need the HDD). I did this for probably 6 months, before ever moving my savefile to the hard drive. Then I ran another 6 months live-booting the CD, before I decided to link it into the boot sequence.

On older systems (with Win98 or XP installed), I recommend the Lin'N'Win method.

http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/step00-linnwin.htm

This will allow you to hook into the existing Windows boot sequence, adding your frugal Puppy install.

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burning an ISO is by no means an easy process for us newbies, even if they had a cd burner


If you are using Windows, get ImgBurn.

http://www.imgburn.com/

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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 18:34    Post subject:  

RetroTechGuy wrote:
jobo wrote:
WindUpToy wrote:
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if linux in general and pupy in particular want to get out the computer fanatic market and into the main stream


Why would we want to do that?
Mainstream is no FUN.


i thought it was in the ''mission statement'' of the linux community to allow the wider public in on the fun and break the strangle hold MS has on the computer market, other wise there is no point in developing user friendly interfaces

the fact is that the benefit of linux is you can mess with it, the downside is you have to mess with it if you want to or not just to get any sort of functionality in it at all. if i could just get it working at base level i could then take my time learning how to make it do more do it better, but i cant even get passed level one and judging by the number of questions in here, neither can quite a lot of people


I like the fact that Puppy isn't loaded with every piece of software known to man. This keeps it small and fast.

The average user doesn't need much more than the ability to make a spreadsheet, write a document, watch a video, and browse the web. Puppy does all of those very well.

If you want access to every software name known to man, you may want to try WinXP, Win7, Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, .... All of them are very large, all of them take quite long to boot (or login), as a result of their size.

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as the point i made above it seems to require a base level of computer knowledge well above that of the average windows user just to get started


That would also be true to install Win98 (or XP, or 7) on a computer... Try performing a Win98 on a system with a new, blank HDD...

Puppy has the advantage that doesn't actually need to be installed on the HDD, one can just boot the live-CD.

If the user wants, they can plug in a flash drive and run their lupsave from there (then it doesn't even need the HDD). I did this for probably 6 months, before ever moving my savefile to the hard drive. Then I ran another 6 months live-booting the CD, before I decided to link it into the boot sequence.

On older systems (with Win98 or XP installed), I recommend the Lin'N'Win method.

http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/step00-linnwin.htm

This will allow you to hook into the existing Windows boot sequence, adding your frugal Puppy install.

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burning an ISO is by no means an easy process for us newbies, even if they had a cd burner


If you are using Windows, get ImgBurn.

http://www.imgburn.com/


its not my intent to start a windows v puppy debate, i think ONCE installed puppy wins hands down, but for ease of first installation then windows wins every time i can load XP on a new hdisc in 2 hours including going and buying the disk, another half hour down loading the programs and im off, its taken me several days of concerted effort to get to the same point with linux. i accept your live disc point, but in my case i cant burn a disc or boot from usb so install it is what ihad to do

that link youve posted above waisted several hours of my time as it tells you to down load isobuster for the win98 installation, but the link given wont work on win98 ? earlier versions dont seem to allow for checking the iso aaar

so, i have the ability to load a windows OS, but not it seems any where near enough to do the same with puppy in less than a working week

i can do it now in under half an hour, but thats not the point, im not a first timer any more and have hours of experiance. maybe in a few months il join the '' i cant believe you find it difficult'' crew ?
im now dowloading pups out of the built in rep that load, tell me their ok but wont launch, proberbly another couple of days to figure that out ?
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PostPosted: Tue 01 May 2012, 23:12    Post subject:  

jobo wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote:

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burning an ISO is by no means an easy process for us newbies, even if they had a cd burner


If you are using Windows, get ImgBurn.

http://www.imgburn.com/


its not my intent to start a windows v puppy debate, i think ONCE installed puppy wins hands down, but for ease of first installation then windows wins every time i can load XP on a new hdisc in 2 hours including going and buying the disk, another half hour down loading the programs


2 1/2 hours versus about 5 minutes...sounds like a good deal to me...

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i accept your live disc point, but in my case i cant burn a disc or boot from usb so install it is what ihad to do


No libraries near you, where you could use a machine? Or a friend's machine?

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that link youve posted above waisted several hours of my time as it tells you to down load isobuster for the win98 installation,


Are you telling me that I need to boot this machine down into Win98 to see what version of ImgBurn I have installed?

I never had to use "isobuster" to get ImgBurn to work...

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so, i have the ability to load a windows OS, but not it seems any where near enough to do the same with puppy in less than a working week


So your comparison is that you have "burned" (i.e. pressed) Windows disks, but cannot burn a Puppy disk, and therefore Windows is a better system, and easier to install... Whatever...

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im now dowloading pups out of the built in rep that load, tell me their ok but wont launch, proberbly another couple of days to figure that out ?


What version of Puppy are you running? I seem to recall you mentioning that you have an old system -- Did you try Lupu 5.25 Retro?

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 00:07    Post subject:  

jobo wrote:
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that link youve posted above waisted several hours of my time

Suggestion:
Read rokytnji's post at top of this page.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 00:39    Post subject:  

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Try something out-side-the-box. Very Happy
Buy CD
Try distrowatch.com for Linux vendors, like osdisc.com.
http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/puppy/puppy-linux-528-live-cd-pc.html

Or have an Friend or Family member Burn one on their PC

There is more than one way to skin-a-cat Very Happy

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