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roar-ng and Subito GNU/Linux 0.9.5 Beta
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Iguleder


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 14:50    Post subject:  

There's a guide, next to the code, in the "doc" directory.

And yes, now I found out everything to deleted. I just rebuilt the package repository completely this Saturday and synced it using LFTP, which removed all other files Crying or Very sad

Regarding "live USB" - do this to your device -
Code:
dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/device


and there you have a bootable stick. In my case, I used this:
Code:
dd if=/mnt/sda6/subito-0.9.5.iso of=/dev/sdb


Use this with care! You can easily lose all your data this way - don't do this unless you're completely aware of all parameters and what they mean.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 13:49    Post subject:  

so i am a little confused; using woof you are given the option to choose a base distro

does roar-ng do this?

maybe i should just run it and find out... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 15:03    Post subject:  

The "base distro" in Woof means which distro to take all non-PET packages from.

In roar-ng, you can choose for each package, from which distro to take it. This way, you can use packages of more than one distro - way more flexible and generic! Wink

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 15:16    Post subject:  

oh!

well in that case ( this is what i aim to end up with you see) how would just asking roar to download pacman + dependencies work?

when i have the time (soon! so soooooon lol) i intend to make and maintain a puplet that is rolling-release via a pacman (arch package manager) wrapper that uses arch packages as much as possible and also looks for most up-to-date puppy packages

how far would putting pacman in the list go?


BTW

i attached a dash.pet as i couldnt find one when using roar
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 19:38    Post subject:  

Hi @Iguleder

In telling a colleague about your distro, they gave up without ever starting. They were turned off by the opening post where you "target" the location of the ISO as well as the DEVX files. Its near the bottom of the post under the tit "Subito GNU/Linux Alpha 1".

I know you moved them to GIT, but they didn't figure that out.

FYI

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Apr 2012, 16:58    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
Hi @Iguleder

In telling a colleague about your distro, they gave up without ever starting. They were turned off by the opening post where you "target" the location of the ISO as well as the DEVX files. Its near the bottom of the post under the tit "Subito GNU/Linux Alpha 1".

I know you moved them to GIT, but they didn't figure that out.

FYI


Sorry if I interupt. Why would that make them hesitate?
I guess my poor English fails to get the way they think about it.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Apr 2012, 21:46    Post subject:  

One more n00bish question from me... well, actually two.

(1) Does roar-ng build what could still be considered Puppy Linux, or is it its own brand of something new...? (Yes, I read the part about it being forked from Woof.)

(2) Could I build on ARM devices with roar-ng...? I'm thinking (if I can scrape together some money AND sell a bunch of stuff that's not going anywhere right now anyways) of getting a BeagleBoard-xM and somehow putting Puppy on that just seems like the right thing to do Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 14:24    Post subject:  

1) Not at all. It's a distro similar to Puppy here and there, though - it shares no code with it.
2) Yes - any architecture. However, you'll need to be able to compile packages for it.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 15:22    Post subject:  

So, if I wanted to use roar-ng with ARM, I'd start with, for example, Debian-armel... would I have to run roar-ng on the intended target device itself (that might be difficult for me to figure out)...? or could I make the OS on, say, an x86 system and just copy bootable files to an SD card (much easier)?
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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 05:10    Post subject:  

You can run build a distro with roar-ng on any architecture, for any architecture. However, to build packages, you'll have to run it on the target architecture.

In order to port my distro to x86_64 I ran roar-ng on a 64-bit distro, built all the packages, then built the ISO on Puppy.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 13:49    Post subject:  

OK, I think I understand... I'll give it a whirl if/when I get my beagleboard.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2012, 15:51    Post subject:  

Haha Iguleder you have humor.
http://www.dimakrasner.com/roar-ng/

You write
Quote:
Be Smart

roar-ng is simple


Yes I know I am a very confused guy with a twisted? brain.
But "simple". Embarrassingly I fail to use even simple OS now.

Okay I download and give it another try. Anyway I love that you provide
such innovative products. Keep it coming. Always interesting to follow you
even when I don't get a thing of what you are doing due to my lack of know how.

Ooops too late one need to use GIT

I have no wishes to learn such is it mirrored somewhere
so I can download the iso like one use to do?

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PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2012, 16:56    Post subject:  

Currently, there is no ready ISO available. If you run roar-ng with Subito's configuration, you'll end up with a polished and working image identical to the one I use.

However, I rewrote ncsplash (the boot splash tool of roar-ng, written in C) and fixed many bugs. Boot times are better than ever (partially because ncsplash is now much more efficient) and stability is superb.

I might upload an ISO of Subito GNU/Linux 1.0 soon. Seems ready for general consumption :p

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PostPosted: Fri 18 May 2012, 17:18    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Sat 19 May 2012, 03:49    Post subject:  

Uploading the 1.0.0 stable release to this directory. It's 248 MB, since the ISO contains the devx.

Here's the list of the ISO contents:

Code:
88M     devx_subito-1.0.0.sfs - the devx module, with development stuff
159M    initrd.gz - the initramfs, which contains the entire distro, including the main SFS
24K     isolinux.bin - the El Torito boot image
4.0K    isolinux.cfg - the boot loader configuration
8.0K    logo.lss - a 16-color logo image
4.0K    message.txt - the boot loader's help message
2.2M    vmlinuz - the kernel image


It's about the same size as an equivalent Puppy, with some minor additions, such as Mesa and SDL.

Also, it has much more drivers, since Puppy's kernels usually have slightly reduced functionality to save size. I believe it's wrong - the kernel package of this build is 14 MB (smaller than Puppy's!) and provides much better hardware support.

I tested it only on two machines - my Asus Eee PC 1001PX (N450, 1 GB RAM, Atheros WiFi, Intel GMA 3150, Intel HDA) and a desktop machine (Core 2 Duo E6320, 2 GB RAM, no WiFi, GeForce 7300GS, Intel HDA). Worked flawlessly on both - Nouveau is included, so the latter had an accelerated framebuffer console, KMS goodness and good performance.

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