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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 09:18    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295-53.run is the 64 bit driver that I installed and the next installation was xfe and both worked fine until I installed Bibletime. I suspect that it's cause by one of the Bibletime dependencies, not Bibletime itself.
Really odd, clucene and sword (the two dependencies required by bibletime) also don't contain any libGL. I haven't tested installing nvidia myself (lets just say the machine with nvidia card isn't easily accessible for the time being). If you don't mind can you try this one:
- from fresh install,
- install nvidia,
- reboot (important)
- install xfe
- does it work?
- if it still works, do this:
Code:
find / -name "libGL.so.*" | xargs file
and it will list the locations where you will find libGL and its type (whether 32bit or 64bit).

BTW - I have replaced disktype with busybox blkid (again!) so the next release you would have no delay, hopefully Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 12:20    Post subject: Latest Opera64 runs fine from /mnt/home  

Hi All,

Just wanted to report that the latest Opera64 (Version 11.64 Build 1403) runs fine from /mnt/home. It apparently picked up the flashplayer already in Fatdog, as Youtubes played without my having to install anything. After successfully running the first Youtube, however, I clicked on Extensions and added "Extend Youtube" which installed an html5 extension. If you haven't tried Opera recently, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the many extensions (Addons) it now supports. Runs very fast in Fatdog64.

And, unlike Chrome, doesn't report everything you do to Google.

Information is power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton. The Founding Fathers of the US, anticipating this established safeguard against what they perceived as the greatest threat to individual liberty: The Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the US Constitution which only limits the exercise of power by governments. They did not foresee the rise of transnational corporations, ultimately answerable to nobody, and sufficiently powerful to influence the countries they frequent. For the sake of convenience we gladly give away information about ourselves which the red tape of Judicial procedures and the practicality of limited budgets prohibit governments from easily collecting. Try getting a job when your life is an open book, when every innocent mistake --such as the mis-spelling of a word in a "google" search brings you to a suspicious website-- is available to anyone willing to pay for information about you, or to a government via the issuance of a Subpoena, or less, and what constitutes suspicious behavior is the stuff of fades and fancies.

Sorry about the rant. I'm just annoyed by the rise of the laissez-faire mentality whose predicate is that governments can do nothing right, and corporations can do nothing wrong.

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 16:48    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
Jim1911 wrote:
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295-53.run is the 64 bit driver that I installed and the next installation was xfe and both worked fine until I installed Bibletime. I suspect that it's cause by one of the Bibletime dependencies, not Bibletime itself.
Really odd, clucene and sword (the two dependencies required by bibletime) also don't contain any libGL. I haven't tested installing nvidia myself (lets just say the machine with nvidia card isn't easily accessible for the time being). If you don't mind can you try this one:
- from fresh install,
- install nvidia,
- reboot (important)
- install xfe
- does it work?
- if it still works, do this:
Code:
find / -name "libGL.so.*" | xargs file
and it will list the locations where you will find libGL and its type (whether 32bit or 64bit).

BTW - I have replaced disktype with busybox blkid (again!) so the next release you would have no delay, hopefully Smile
It looks like I've been wasting our time. Embarassed I was blaming the Bibletime dependency QT4 for breaking xfe. I've installed programs (first creating new save file) in this order four (4) times: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.53.run, and (using your Package Manager) xfe and Bibletime. The first two (2) times xfe failed to run after Bibletime was installed. Confused The last two (2) times xfe works fine although with this msg: Confused
    # xfe
    Expected Xft library version 20200 or greater; was 20114.
You and Kirk were correct that "libGL.so.295.53: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object" is linked to the NVIDIA driver installation, however, it doesn't appear to make any difference on my last installations. Attached in the fake gz file (change "gz" to "abw") to are results of different runs of your code above.

I appreciate the change to "disktype with busybox blkid", it gets kind of old waiting about 10 min for disk icons to appear on the desktop. That change will make my i7 really fly. Very Happy Hope that this change doesn't adversely affect other hardware.

Re: Problem I reported above with LibreOffice which was failing to run, it runs fine in my latest installation. Confused I'm really impressed at the speed especially with large pps files.

Re: Fatdog64 Package Manager which has a great feature "Choose Mirror", however there are no mirrors to choose. My experience with ibiblio is that it is extremely slow and I have a fios connection.

Re: Opera64 (Version 11.64 Build 1403) My experience agrees with what mikeslr reported. It works great, although I prefer Firefox 12 64 bit version but can't get it to work.

Thanks to you and Kirk for all the hard work that you've put into this superb distribution.

Cheers,
Jim
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 18:57    Post subject:  

kirk:
jamesbond:
Did a frugal usb install with unetbootin-windows.
Delighted with the result everything worked well.

Then I went to download some pets from the pets repo only to find that I couldn't download anything. (nothing happened).
I am aware that the download path is "/spot/downloads".

By doing the following I did manage to download python and scribus:
Opened the terminal:
su spot:
seamonkey:
The downloads ended up in tmp:
Transferred to another folder with one error.
They installed ok but obviously there is something wrong, it could be me.

Also there seems to be three instances of gtkam camera manager in the menus?

I hope I,m not driving you mad with these issues.

edit:
Can't see guvcview?

irishrm.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 21:00    Post subject: Re: Latest Opera64 runs fine from /mnt/home  

mikeslr wrote:
Just wanted to report that the latest Opera64 (Version 11.64 Build 1403) runs fine from /mnt/home. It apparently picked up the flashplayer already in Fatdog, as Youtubes played without my having to install anything. After successfully running the first Youtube, however, I clicked on Extensions and added "Extend Youtube" which installed an html5 extension. If you haven't tried Opera recently, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the many extensions (Addons) it now supports. Runs very fast in Fatdog64.
I have not used Opera for ages. Not because I don't like it, but just because the built-in browser already meets my needs. I should probably give it a try.

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And, unlike Chrome, doesn't report everything you do to Google.
The only thing to avoid that is download the source, take out the code that does this reporting, and compile it yourself. I don't bother to do that because the size of Chrome sources and tools required to build it is bigger than the size of Linux kernel, in fact, bigger than the size of Fatdog itself Shocked Just to build a browser? Sheesh. Chrome may be fast but I'm not running image processing or video transcoding on it Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 21:06    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
It looks like I've been wasting our time. Embarassed I was blaming the Bibletime dependency QT4 for breaking xfe. I've installed programs (first creating new save file) in this order four (4) times: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.53.run, and (using your Package Manager) xfe and Bibletime. The first two (2) times xfe failed to run after Bibletime was installed. Confused The last two (2) times xfe works fine although with this msg: Confused
I can confirm from your attachment that nvidia installs 32-bit libGL.so in /usr/lib, and apparently you suffer from the same symlink-turned-into-directory problem as irishrm. If you look at the file you sent me, you can delete those files that says 32-bit library and things should work afterwards.

From my part, I will remove LD_LIBRARY_PATH that refers to /lib in the next release.

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    # xfe
    Expected Xft library version 20200 or greater; was 20114.
You and Kirk were correct that "libGL.so.295.53: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object" is linked to the NVIDIA driver installation, however, it doesn't appear to make any difference on my last installations. Attached in the fake gz file (change "gz" to "abw") to are results of different runs of your code above.
Same comment as libreoffice libxml2 above. However, I did compile xfe on 600 itself, so this is impossible - except, again, if nvidia installs its own copy of libxft and that copy is older than the one in Fatdog ...

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I appreciate the change to "disktype with busybox blkid", it gets kind of old waiting about 10 min for disk icons to appear on the desktop. That change will make my i7 really fly. Very Happy Hope that this change doesn't adversely affect other hardware.
Yeah, it is annoying. Let me see if I can work out a patch that you can use for the time being.

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Re: Fatdog64 Package Manager which has a great feature "Choose Mirror", however there are no mirrors to choose. My experience with ibiblio is that it is extremely slow and I have a fios connection.
That's becase we don't have any other mirror at the moment.

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Re: Opera64 (Version 11.64 Build 1403) My experience agrees with what mikeslr reported. It works great, although I prefer Firefox 12 64 bit version but can't get it to work.
You mean Firefox binaries downloaded from mozilla site?

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Thanks to you and Kirk for all the hard work that you've put into this superb distribution.
You're much welcome and thanks for your feedback to make this even better for all of us.

cheers!

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 21:09    Post subject:  

Quote:

This has nothing to do with Urxvt, it has everything to do with the shell being run by Urxvt - which is "sh". "sh" is a symlink to bash (so the shell being run is actually bash), but because it is being run as "sh" (instead of bash) it runs in POSIX mode and does not use bash-specific features. To make "bash" behave as "bash", you need to run it as "bash" and not "sh".
Ok, too much talking already. Just edit the first line of /etc/passwd from
Code:
root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh
to
Code:
root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash


EDIT: But if you do so, /etc/shinit will not be executed. You will need to move the code over there to bash-specific initialisation files.


Thank you jamesbond. That worked perfectly.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 21:11    Post subject:  

irishrm wrote:
Then I went to download some pets from the pets repo only to find that I couldn't download anything. (nothing happened).
I am aware that the download path is "/spot/downloads".
Path is /root/spot/Downloads. Two questions:
- your savefile is on NTFS partition, no?
- did you move the Downloads folder to that NTFS partition too, during savefile creation?

Once I have the time I will test this again - it used to work sometime, but we have been changing a lot of stuff ...

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By doing the following I did manage to download python and scribus:
Opened the terminal:
su spot:
seamonkey:
The downloads ended up in tmp:
Transferred to another folder with one error.
What was the error message?

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Also there seems to be three instances of gtkam camera manager in the menus?
Which menu - the one from the panel, or the menu you see when you right-click on the desktop?

EDIT: Have you tried using the package manager instead of downloading them with seamonkey?

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I hope I,m not driving you mad with these issues.
Not yet Smile

Quote:
Can't see guvcview?
guvcview is now a pet.

cheers!

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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 21:21    Post subject:  

WillM wrote:
Thank you jamesbond. That worked perfectly.
Wow, how did you do that? Do you mind sharing this for the rest of us?
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 22:14    Post subject:  

your savefile is on NTFS partition, no fat32 usb

did you move the Downloads folder to that NTFS partition too, during savefile creation? No

What was the error message? Didn,t have permission to move or copy (but it worked anyway)

Which menu - the one from the panel, or the menu you see when you right-click on the desktop? right-click on the desktop


EDIT: Have you tried using the package manager instead of downloading them with seamonkey? packet manager works fine no problem there


I hope I,m not driving you mad with these issues-Not yet
relieved to know that Very Happy

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 May 2012, 23:10    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
I can confirm from your attachment that nvidia installs 32-bit libGL.so in /usr/lib, and apparently you suffer from the same symlink-turned-into-directory problem as irishrm. If you look at the file you sent me, you can delete those files that says 32-bit library and things should work afterwards. Done
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Re: Opera64 (Version 11.64 Build 1403) My experience agrees with what mikeslr reported. It works great, although I prefer Firefox 12 64 bit version but can't get it to work.
You mean Firefox binaries downloaded from mozilla site? Correct
Since xfe and LibreOffice are both working fine now, I am holding off on the corrective action you suggested above for LibreOffice. The messages only appear when executing from a terminal.

Here is a Random Wallpaper Changer that SFR prepared which works fine in Fatdog64-600 if you are interested in a little eye candy.

Thanks again,
Jim
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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 04:15    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
Here is a Random Wallpaper Changer that SFR prepared which works fine in Fatdog64-600 if you are interested in a little eye candy.
I wish I had known this before Embarassed I had the something, it's already in Fatdog, it's called wallpaper_slideshow (in /usr/bin). There is no menu - you can launch it from "Run" menu or from Terminal. It's also a gtkdialog application.

I didn't put it in the menu because I reckon "Wallpaper Setter" can also do the same thing ...

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 04:17    Post subject:  

irishrm wrote:
your savefile is on NTFS partition, no fat32 usb

did you move the Downloads folder to that NTFS partition too, during savefile creation? No

What was the error message? Didn,t have permission to move or copy (but it worked anyway)
I cannot reproduce your problem. But re-reading your post again, I reckon you tried to launch "petget" directly when you download stuff from ibiblio. You can't do that, because the browser runs as root and does not have rights to install packages.

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Which menu - the one from the panel, or the menu you see when you right-click on the desktop? right-click on the desktop
Again - I don't see the duplicate menus there ...
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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 04:22    Post subject:  

Jim1911 wrote:
You mean Firefox binaries downloaded from mozilla site? Correct
All previous Fatdog uses Firefox compiled by kirk, not the official binaries. This is because standard official binaries require dependencies that are not included in Fatdog (mainly Dbus stuff).

Dbus is now included in Fatdog, but the official binaries now also require dbus-glib. Dbus glib is in the repo (refresh the package manager first). You also need to remove /usr/lib64/firefox (replace it with actual extract of firefox binary tarball). Firefox will launch. I didn't test further than that.

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 04:36    Post subject:  

jamesbond:

Sorry for messing you about.

Your reference to NTFS eventually switched on the lights I had forgotten how I had done the USB install.

My first install was a boot from CD with the savefile on my NTFS harddrive.

Having done the USB install I transferred that savefile to the USB thinking that it would save me from having to redo the fixes that you and kirk had already helped me with.
Obviously the savefile hasn't travelled well so I'll delete it and start again.

I'm sure that will fix the problems I,m having.
Anyway I'll post back and let you know the outcome.

Thanks again for your patience.
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