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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 05:53    Post subject: Re: Precise alpha-3  

sszindian wrote:
Hmmm... BK must have some 'thingy' about Leaf-Icons since even in beta-3 There Isn't Any Leaf (menu) and I have seen this mentioned since way back when.... even before Precise. Smile

On the serious side... Where might one install .sfs files to be tested in Precise since we don't seem to have a mnt/home file? Do we create it ourselves? Currently running all tests on a live CD.

>>>---Indian------>


For the multi-session CD/DVD, there is a way of doing, but gee, that is a long time ago, I don't recall.

If you study the 'init' script in the 'initrd.gz' file, you should be able to figure out where Puppy searches for the .sfs files in the case of multisession.

The good thing about initrd.gz these days is all you have to do is click on it to open it up.

I seem to remember, if there are any sfs's on the CD, they can be mounted as layers, or maybe they get copied into ram and then can be mounted. ...it is too long ago, I forget all the details.

I also seem to remember, there was a place you could download them to, and they would get saved to CD, then at next boot could be loaded as a layer. Or maybe I am just dreaming, intended to implement that only.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 06:01    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
LateAdopter wrote:
Hello Barry

This Puppy does not like ATI Radeon graphics.

If I set Radeon in the xorgwizard then X does not start.

If I copy ati_drv, radeon_drv, fbdev_drv and fbdevhw_drv to the modules drivers folder and delete vesa_drv, and delete Xorg.conf so that X auto configures, then X does start and load the correct drivers but there are errors in the Xorg.log and acceleration is disabled.

The errors are:

[ 12.893] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
[ 12.893] (II) [KMS] No DRICreatePCIBusID symbol, no kernel modesetting.
[ 12.893] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
[ 12.893] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
[ 12.893] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
[ 12.893] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/libfbdevhw.so
[ 12.900] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 12.900] compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 0.0.2
[ 12.900] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0
[ 12.901] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such device
[ 12.901] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support

and

[ 13.177] (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
[ 13.177] (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed
[ 13.177] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled

For comparison fatdog 600a2, which also has Xorg 1.11.4 and does work, gives this in the log:

[ 9.656] (II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
[ 9.656] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
[ 9.656] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[ 9.656] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
[ 9.656] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
[ 9.656] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
[ 9.661] (II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib64/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
[ 9.666] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 9.666] compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 0.0.2
[ 9.666] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0
[ 9.666] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section

and

[ 9.850] (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[ 9.854] (II) RADEON(0): Setting EXA maxPitchBytes
[ 9.854] (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
[ 9.854] (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[ 9.854] (II) Solid
[ 9.854] (II) Copy
[ 9.854] (II) Composite (RENDER acceleration)
[ 9.854] (II) UploadToScreen
[ 9.854] (II) DownloadFromScreen
[ 9.854] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled

It looks like the kernel is lacking KMS

I did previously try setting Radeon in xorgwizard on Pemasu's version based on a2, and X did not start either. That had a different kernel. So I may be barking up the wrong tree.


If you want KMS, edit /etc/modprobe.d/radeon.conf, change to:

options radeon modeset=1

Then reboot.


I am wondering about that. It was on 01micko's advice that I set the default for radeon to modestting off for Woof builds.

Maybe it has matured enough so that it should now default to on.

Allright, I will do that for the next build, beta1, and we will see what happens.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 06:20    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
GLX not working:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log wrote:
[ 3423.088] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/nouveau_dri.so failed (libLLVM-3.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[ 3423.088] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[ 3423.088] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[ 3423.089] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (libLLVM-3.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[ 3423.089] (EE) GLX: could not load software renderer



Oh... crap. File 'nouveau_dri.so' is in package:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libgl1-mesa-dri

And it has this dependency:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libllvm3.0

...look at the size of that package!!!!

I wonder if we could compile it ourselves to not have that dependency? Anyway, for now I will add it.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 06:43    Post subject:  

pemasu wrote:
Bug fixes...or better just noticed missing libs...
_MAJOR SNIP_


Pemasu - just found bug fix version at your site...
yes... there are lots of inconsistencies to work out...
BUT - precise 5.3.3.3 fixed three things for me automatically...

1) It auto adjusts perfectly for my off-proportion flatscreen display

2) it gives me printing, with no special setup, in ALL printing apps

3) it uses all my dpupEXPRIMO compiled pets flawlessly

since 1) and 2) had been my only problems with
dpupExprimo, and were problems I couldnt work around,
I say HOORAY for the 5.3.3.3 bug fix version, all other possible
inconsistencies aside ! h-o-o-r-a-y : -)

I have had on and off trouble with internet connection...
this kindof hiccups sometimes, and needs connection
wizard.

blender pet didnt compile for me from repos... however...
found a blender SFS, which worked right away

I'll say it again... couldnt have asked for a more improved
puppy, but I got one anyway. Thanks to all involved in
developing precise.

soundNICK

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 06:47    Post subject:  

Trouble with compiling without the libllmv dep is what else breaks down the track when people start adding stuff from precise repos. Confused

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Did some reading on archwiki about KMS and radeon. The problem I had with KMS switched on for radeon was no console, X was working fine. As you say it may be fixed by now but the archwiki seems to suggest only the X.org ATI driver supports KMS. I'll do some more tests with my reasonably modern radeon card and see what happens.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 06:48    Post subject:  

smokey01 wrote:
Barry a3 looking pretty good here in VirtualBox except for ayttm.

# ayttm
ayttm: error while loading shared libraries: libaudiofile.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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Thanks, I modified the 'audiofile' template in Woof, it now creates a symlink of libaudiofile.so.0 to libaudiofile.so.1 if it is missing.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 06:53    Post subject:  

linux28 wrote:
bug Sad Sad Sad


Sorry, I haven't got a clue why Leafpad input methods are all missing.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 10:45    Post subject: Precise Puppy alpha3, May 24, 2012
Subject description: momanager
 

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msgunfmt: error while loading shared libraries: libunistring.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

msgmerge: error while loading shared libraries: libunistring.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 11:55    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
linux28 wrote:
bug Sad Sad Sad


Sorry, I haven't got a clue why Leafpad input methods are all missing.

Thank you for answering all the gtk software has problems, for example, you if you want to enter the Japanese can not.
QT software can be input to other languages. Only the gtk software is not all.
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 12:01    Post subject: Would you test Puppy Backup?  

Note to Barry Kauler :

Would you test Puppy Backup? It's a fork of pmirror.
It has been localized (unlike pmirror) and has a couple of extra features.
It has been working nicely for me.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77685

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 12:13    Post subject:  

Shinobar has new version of ffconvert

version ffconvert-1.2.9.pet (2012-05-26)

http://shino.pos.to/linux/puppy/

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 14:55    Post subject:  

I have done a fresh install of Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 for comparison.

A few initial conclusions from the Lucid Puppy Xorg.log:

- The Radeon driver is installed and working and acceleration is enabled.

Code:
(II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
(II) RADEON(0): Setting EXA maxPitchBytes
(II) EXA(0): Offscreen pixmap area of 117538816 bytes
(II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
(II)         Solid
(II)         Copy
(II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
(II)         UploadToScreen
(II)         DownloadFromScreen
(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled


- MESA DRI is not installed, and the log contains the same GLX error as 01micko reported for Precise Puppy.

Code:
(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
(EE) GLX: could not load software renderer
(II) GLX: no usable GL providers found for screen 0


BK wrote:
Quote:
Oh... crap. File 'nouveau_dri.so' is in package:


- But Xorg High is a .pet in the Lucid repo, and I think that is equivalent to MESA.

In my fiddling about with Precise Puppy, I had already installed the MESA DRI and LLVM from the Ubunto repo using the Package Manager, so I didn't get the error from Precise Puppy. Since the Package Manager can get it, it may not be necessary to include it.

- KMS is reported as: not supported.

Code:
(II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported.


- The main difference is the section at the beginning of the log, that lists the extensions to be loaded. Lucid Puppy does load all of these.

From Lucid Puppy Log

Code:
(II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "record" will be loaded by default.
(II) "dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.




The corresponding entries from Precise Puppy Log seem to be a bit mixed up and it does NOT load the DRI or GLX extensions, even though it said it would. I don't yet know which file defines "default" and which defines "config" but I shall go and look.

Code:
[    12.787] (WW) "glx" will not be loaded unless you've specified it to be loaded elsewhere.
[    12.787] (WW) "dri" will not be loaded unless you've specified it to be loaded elsewhere.
[    12.787] (II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
[    12.787] (II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
[    12.787] (II) "glx" will be loaded even though the default is to disable it.
[    12.787] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
[    12.787] (II) "dri" will be loaded even though the default is to disable it.
[    12.787] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.


So it looks as though the missing DRI and GLX extensions might be the problem. Unless I am barking up the wrong tree, again.
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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 20:56    Post subject: Precise Puppy alpha3, May 24, 2012  

Umplayer compiled okay in Precise (after I installed qt482 made in
Racy), dir2pet works I think but I just did make install.
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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 01:44    Post subject:  

Did a manual frugal install on my main Athlon XP box...... things looking pretty good.

# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.55 on Sun 27 May 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)
oem: NVidia
product: NV18 () Board Chip Rev A2

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.4
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#
-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1033MB (171MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 27 May 2012 12:41:26 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 08:59    Post subject:  

This Puppy doesn't like Radeon SOLVED!

Having looked in the right version for xorg.log, after using the xorgwizard to select Radeon when X fails to start and then using xorgwizard to go back to VESA, I found out what was wrong.

There had been no modules for X to load (ATI VESA or FB) so it quit because there was no display.

So I copied the ATI Radeon VESA and FB modules from the X backup folder.

I renamed the xorg.conf.bak to xorg.conf.

I restarted X and now it works!

It now is using the Radeon driver and acceleration (2D) is enabled.

So the xorgwizard needs to be fixed to give Xorg some modules for Radeon.

Note1: I had not enabled KMS

Note2: I had reinstalled the libdrm packages from Ubuntu, just in case... And I had installed the libkms package which was not present, just in case...

Now its working I don't want to go back and find out whether they were really needed!

Next I will install the MESA DRI packages and see whether 3D acceleration will work...
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