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goingnuts

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2012, 15:48    Post subject:  pUPnGO 2012  

This is pUPnGO 2012:
Update 20130106: New build with bugfix for cryptosave.
Update 20120616: New build with bugfix for save2CD/DVD, all firmware drivers in zdrv, full wirelesstools-package, dhcpcd added.

* not as small as he could be
* not quite in the spirit of the ordinary pUPnGO project
* more meant as a catch up with a lot of the stuff dealt with in the pUPnGO-thread
* shipped as a desktop puplet - lots of GUI stuff
* kind of backup of most things I have been working on the last year

Download updated version pUPnGO 2012 Third image uploaded 060113 - fix of failing cryptosave (newer losetup version in initrd)

Whats new:
No drivers in initrd - all build in kernel
Boots directly to desktop
Needs ram...boots to GUI in 20Mb but not much you can do then...seems to work OK with 36Mb for normal use.
Some settings applied to avoid freeze if ram is too low.
Filled with gtk1 applications.
And most stuff is there for everyday usage.
Total size 33Mb.

And definitely some bugs and fat that could be moved - some use of the mcb-tech has been used but I kept most applications as standalone bins to make re-master easier.

Everything is statically linked so no shared libs present/needed.
Have fun!

    thttpd webserver incl. cgi-upload
    bftfpd ftp-server
    the wireless basic stuff
    the squasfh basic stuff
    all the cd/dvd/isobuning/creating stuff
    all the iptables stuff
    syslinux & grub
    minimp3 & mpg123 & wavplay/wavrecord

    Xvesa only
    ROX-filer
    the ace-of-penguins full card games collection
    xpacman game
    calctool calculator
    conky system monitor
    pupslock screen locker + screen saver
    xsnap screen capture
    asmplan project-manager
    aumix audiomixer
    beaver text editor
    mtpaint image tool
    cdplayer
    danpei image viewer
    dillo web browser
    gdmap graphical file usage
    gftp ftp client
    gtkdialog1 & Xdialog GUI-builders
    gtkdiff graphical file diff tool
    gtkdiskfree partition usage tool
    gtkfontsel view installed fonts
    gtkman - man page viewer
    rdesktop (view shared windows desktop)
    guitar compression tools
    gwget front end for wget
    sylpheed mail client
    vncviewer (view shared linux desktop)
    x11vnc (share your desktop)
    xchat IRC-client
    xhippo mp3-player
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2012, 15:58    Post subject:  

Wonderful!
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2012, 16:05    Post subject:  

Wow, this is really cool. I'm glad to see you go in this direction! Every Puppy needs an everyday-practical side, which pUPnGO didn't entirely have until now... while I understand that there's a distinct size advantage to the regular stuff, I couldn't figure out for the life of me what to DO with it other than marvel at it's size.

I'm downloading it now. Er... does it have Xorg at all, or is it still Xvesa-only? Just asking so I know which system to test it on Wink Also, I really hope that it does wireless, although I'm getting the impression that it doesn't.

One other (small) thing... would be good to have a list of applications up, so we can see what's in it without downloading first.

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2012, 21:55    Post subject: Re: pUPnGO 2012  

goingnuts wrote:
This is pUPnGO 2012:

Needs ram...boots to GUI in 20Mb but not much you can do then...seems to work OK with 36Mb for normal use.


Now you've got me interested.

I've got some really (I mean really, really) old laptops, with low memory I want to set up (and then give away).

I'm going to see if this will serve... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jun 2012, 23:55    Post subject:  

I just posted a gtk1 patch for mplayer in the other thread (my musl toolchain is missing a couple of symbols or I would post it) ... What do you think a good bare configuration whould be - enough to play youtube videos and dvds? (basically, does anyone want image outputs, obscure codecs or some other thing to support a P-app they are working on in gtkdialog1?)... btw there is an X11 output type without menu controls which might be a candidate for selecting 1 codec for a set of static binaries that each play 1 format (then they could just get the MIME-Type name and go in the rox directory - just an idea to save a few MB of ram on the barebones boxes)
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 01:10    Post subject:  

zigbert: Very Happy
starhawk: Its pure xvesa - and the basic for wireless is there but not a lot more.
RetroTechGuy: You might be disappointed on very old hardware as the kernel might be too new. I would not expect it too work (boot) on old pentium but amdK6 should be OK.
technosaurus: avi, mpg, dvd would be nice. If youtube is an option that might be ok too - I don't know if dillo or links are able to handle/navigate a youtube page in the first place?
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 02:06    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
I just posted a gtk1 patch for mplayer in the other thread (my musl toolchain is missing a couple of symbols or I would post it) ... What do you think a good bare configuration whould be - enough to play youtube videos and dvds?

technosaurus: feel free to bother me about the musl stuff.

FWIW, I know some DOS users can get youtube videos and play with mplayer, so dillo should be able to handle retrieving them.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 12:09    Post subject:  

@goingnuts: No offense, but I think you had a small moment of confusion in there somewhere.

AMD K6, K6-2, and K6-III are all AMDs version of the original Pentium, with certain tweaks that let them compete against Pentium II and (a few early) Pentium III CPUs. They all are Socket 7 chips as well, just like the original Pentiums. It wasn't until the Athlon line came out (the first of which were really K7's) that AMD went head-to-head with the Pentium II and III directly -- the earliest Athlon CPUs were on cards like the P-II and earliest P-III CPUs, and they used the same slot connector (with a different and incompatible pinout, of course!), called Slot A by AMD and Slot 1 by Intel.

BTW, are you saying that there's a wireless connection wizard, but few or no drivers...? That's... interesting.

What kernel did you use? The one from Puppy 412, like with the "regular" versions of pUPnGO?

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 12:38    Post subject:  

Posting from dillo in pUPnGO 2012 testing usb (sdd) install...Smile
I meant pentium I (I think). Pentium II should be OK...
Yes my homebrewed wifimanager is present - which at some time in the past got me connected via wireless...
We got wpa_cli, wpa_supplicant, wpa_passphrase and iwconfig at hands to play with...but no firmware drivers.
Kernel is a modified P412 kernel (with all drivers normally inside initrd build in) 2.6.25.16 that is...
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 12:45    Post subject:  

goingnuts wrote:
Posting from dillo in pUPnGO 2012 testing usb (sdd) install...Smile
I meant pentium I (I think). Pentium II should be OK...


Well, I think that they are P-I class. I did get some unexpected versions to boot on at least one of them, but they generally eat way too much memory.

(I don't think that I have any 486 class left...unless I kept one for the "museum" Wink )

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 12:55    Post subject:  

goingnuts, can you compile/make a *.pet that has those wifi drivers? I'm afraid that there is no way for me to connect to the Internet in my house, other than via wireless, and so something that doesn't have those drivers is a little... limiting.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 13:53    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
goingnuts, can you compile/make a *.pet that has those wifi drivers? I'm afraid that there is no way for me to connect to the Internet in my house, other than via wireless, and so something that doesn't have those drivers is a little... limiting.

here it is
Its only all the firmware stuff - the original linux wifi-drivers are all present in pUPnGo 2012.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 14:52    Post subject:  

OK, I'm confused. I think we're using different definitions here.

What I mean by "drivers" is "the modules that are loaded by modprobe (or the connection wizard) to enable use of wireless cards/adapters". Firmware, to me, is programming resident on a silicon chip, usually of the microcontroller type (although I can see ROMs having firmware on them *for* a microcontroller, external to that microcontroller... gets complicated at that point, though).

Given what is already in pUPnGO 2012, do I need to *add* anything (I assume, in the form of *.pet's or *.sfs's) in order to make a given wireless card work? If so, what, and where do I find it (roughly)?

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 15:07    Post subject:  

Well...Try download above. The content is what is in /lib/firmware and /lib/modules/all-firmware

I thought that those firmware was a mixture of modules and additional applications for specific hardware.

If I plugin my usb z1211-usb wireless adaptor the firmware z1211 packet gets unpacket and the driver zd1211rw gets loaded (lsmod shows that).
After that I try to run the Wifi-manager - I can then view my wireless net-id - but I did not managed to connect (=buggy my wireless script).

So if you need the firmware drivers et all depends on your hardware I think. Gettin wireless working in a normal Puppy can also be a pita.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 17:59    Post subject: can not find pup-412.sfs  

I am trying to run pUPnGo 2012 from a USB flash drive using grub4dos as the loader. There are several pups on partitions. This one is on a fat32 (not the .ext2 with the grub4dos files). It starts to load .... stops at "looking for puppy files on drives" then exits with "can not locate pup-412.sfs". Tried renaming pup-412pupngo.sfs to match .. no joy. All the files from the iso are in the same location and this is my menu.lst for this partition (has worked great with other pups):

title pUPnGo2012
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /pup_412pupngo.sfs
kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash pfix=fsck
initrd /initrd.gz

Any guidance would be appreciated .... Thanks, KJ
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