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bark_bark_bark

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 08:53    Post subject:  Puppy on old HP Pavilion??
Subject description: 64MB RAM		  
Hello I want to revive an old win98 HP Pavilion. It does have a CD and USB, so what are my options?

EDIT: the floppy drive is bad.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 13:19    Post subject: Re: Puppy on old HP Pavilion??
Subject description: 64MB RAM		  
bark_bark_bark wrote:
Hello I want to revive an old win98 HP Pavilion. It does have a CD and USB, so what are my options?

EDIT: the floppy drive is bad.


64MB RAM is pretty tight. Can you scrounge some more? I'm assuming/guessing that this is a tower, and probably PC100 RAM. Got any friends who would give you some? See any junk machines laying around that you can scavenge from?

Does it have a hard disk? You can make it dual boot with the existing Win98 via Lin'N'Win:

http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/step00-linnwin.htm

But you should be able to boot the CD, and save a frugal lupusave on the hard disk. Save the .sfs when offered also, as that frees up your CD once booted. Even if it doesn't have a hard disk, you could save to the USB (it will be rather slow on shutdown, as it is likely USB1.1).

I would recommend trying 5.25 Retro, which runs on my 333MHz laptop, with 256MB RAM:

http://www.smokey01.com/JamesC/uploads/lucid-retro-525-2.6.30.5-v4/lupu-525-2.6.30.5-v4.iso

And the discussion thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=521627#521627

And with your current small RAM, you'll want some swap space. See my Sig to make a swap file (or add a swap partition to the hard disk). I use the rule that you want RAM+swap > 500MB. My 333MHz laptop has 256MB RAM, 512MB swap.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 13:34    Post subject:  
No I don't think I can get ram for it. All my friends got new PCs.

Yes, it has a 10GB HDD.

I can boot from CD.

Okay I'll create a good sized Swap partition.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 13:52    Post subject:  
bark_bark_bark wrote:
No I don't think I can get ram for it. All my friends got new PCs.


The question is, what did they do with their old PCs?... Laughing

You typically can still get old RAM (but you do need to know what flavor you're looking for).

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Yes, it has a 10GB HDD.

I can boot from CD.

Okay I'll create a good sized Swap partition.


If you can boot the CD, you don't really need the floppy (I doubt that you can boot USB, given the estimated vintage -- but it would be slower than the HDD, once you get Puppy running).

Test it out and see how it works. Some recommend using a full install for low memory conditions. I don't know if that memory load is lower than if you simply prevent the .sfs from loading into RAM on a frugal install (it won't load on yours, with that little RAM).

If you need to go full install, and want to keep your Win98, you could easily split that 10GB into 3 partitions (shrink the Win98, add the ext2 Puppy, and Swap). My laptop has a 4GB disk, and still has Win98 installed, my Puppy frugals, and a swap partition.

Edit: I don't know anything about these guys, but it looks like 128MB PC100 is pretty cheap if you felt the need to add some:

http://www.allmemoryupgrades.com/pc100sdram.html
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 14:12    Post subject:  
Would a full install be better on a computer with such low RAM? I don't have much experience with full installs, as I've only done frugals.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 14:26    Post subject:  
dk60902 wrote:
Would a full install be better on a computer with such low RAM? I don't have much experience with full installs, as I've only done frugals.


I'm wondering the same. I run frugals on everything.

But first is to make sure the selected version will run... (which says "frugal" to me).
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 15:21    Post subject:  
I have to wait till tonight to test it, as I am @ a friends house working on his Win7 PC. Lucky me I had Puppy Linux on my 'Utility' USB drive.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 17:47    Post subject:  
RetroTechGuy wrote:
dk60902 wrote:
Would a full install be better on a computer with such low RAM? I don't have much experience with full installs, as I've only done frugals.


I'm wondering the same. I run frugals on everything.

But first is to make sure the selected version will run... (which says "frugal" to me).


On the puppylinux.org website:

http://puppylinux.org/main/Manual-English.htm#Manual06

it mentions that if there is < 256 MB RAM, full installs are recommended. It might be also fairly cheap to add more RAM to that laptop. I'd look on eBay.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 18:11    Post subject:  
it's not a laptop, it's a desktop
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 21:38    Post subject:  
G'day,
Is it a HP4404 model or something like that?
I just took my last one to an e-waste clean-up (needed more space in the loft and I now have newer old computers, so it was out with the oldest Crying or Very sad ).

It did run Puppies OK but I had added more RAM (256MB). I had also added another hard-drive. The slowness of the processor was probably the main bugbear.

You would need a swap partition of about 500MB to run with 64MB RAM. If you like, you could partition your 10GB hard-drive into say three 3GB ext2 partitions plus the necessary linux swap. Use one partition for some Frugals and one for a Full and see which Pup type runs better.

Good luck,

David S.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 23:11    Post subject:  
bark_bark_bark wrote:
it's not a laptop, it's a desktop


I had guessed that. Do you know if it's PC100 (168 pin), or older 72 pin RAM (I'm guessing PC100)?

Feel like popping the cover to see?
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 19:04    Post subject:  
a case study on an even weaker computer..

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48214
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