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Billtoo
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1507 Location: Ontario Canada |
[quote="kirk"] The iso is about 200MB, so booting from slow media like a DVD could take a few minutes. Optical media read speed depends on a lot of different hardware factors. That may be completely normal. If you have a copy of 521 on DVD around, you could see how it compares. [quote] It takes 30 seconds to get to the prompt if I boot the fatdog 521 dvd with fatdog pfix=nox,ram On the same pc it takes 4 minutes to get to the desktop if I boot the fatdog 600b1 dvd with fatdog savefile=direct:local It's not a big problem but when you have to do reboots to install the proprietary Nvidia driver etc., it takes some time. EDIT: I tried again and just hit enter to start the fatdog 600b1 dvd and it still took 4 minutes but it did load my savefile, guess I didn't need the fatdog savefile=direct:local part. |
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kirk
Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1334 Location: florida |
There isn't a new one for 600. I would think the one from 500 would work. Wouldn't hurt to try it.
Wow, you have a floppy  , All I have is a usb floppy which that script doesn't support. Maybe James has a real floppy drive to test with.
Could you try booting from a hard drive on that computer? If you use grub, just copy vmlinuz and initrd to a partition and add this to grub: title Fatdog64 rootnoverify (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz initrd /initrd The hd0,0 in the example above, the first zero refers to the first hard drive, and the second zero refers to the first partition on that harddrive. So in that example, (hd0,0) refers to sda1. Your boot option isn't needed. Here's some examples from the FAQs if your interested: savefile=direct:device:sda1 --- use savefile named fd64save.ext4 located in root directory of /dev/sda1, save directly to it savefile=ram:device:sda2:/fd600/fd64save.3fs --- use savefile named fd64save.3fs located in /fd600 directory of /dev/sda2, use RAM layer savefile=ram:usb --- use savefile named fd64save.ext4 located in root directory of the first found usb device, use RAM layer savefile=direct:multi --- use multisession on device /dev/sr0 |
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Jim1911
Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 2353 Location: Texas, USA |
WOW!  It's superb, hugh improvement over a2 with many new features to check out. Thanks for the improving selection of programs in your Fatdog Package Manager. New frugal installation on desktop computer with new save file and have noted only a few problems.
Current problems discovered: 1. Heads up -- Not a problem. Installed Firefox-13.pet using package manager. Initially it would not work, even using a terminal. However, this was corrected with a reboot. 2. Cannot install printer -- selecting "CUPS Manage Printing" opens browser at Home CUPS 1.3.11, however clicking "Add Printer" takes you to an Administrative CUPS 1.5.2 screen which gives an error. Correct hplip pets for FD are installed. See desktop below. Cheers, Jim System: BFG NVIDIA Geforce 8400 GS 512MB, Asus P6T Motherboard, Intel core i7-920 (8MB Cache, 2.66 GHz), DDR3 3GB 1333MHz ram, Pioneer DVR-2910 DVD+-RW Dual Layer Burner, Realtek ALC1200 Audio, HP Photosmart C5280 All-in-One
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jamesbond
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1573 Location: The Blue Marble |
Yes, I used level 1 and only enabled Rockridge extension. I've changed the build scripts, remasters and shutdown to enable ISO level 3, Joliet and Rockridge to make it more "compatible".
The reason they are separate is that depending on your circumstances, you only need to use one or both of them.
Thank you for the compliment
Thank you shinobar, I'll get in for the next release
I'm not even sure whether the
drive is still working  Thank you for the report though, I think devtmpfs doesn't automatically create this "special" floppy device
nodes. The floppy formatter program needs to be upgraded to create them on the fly.
As kirk said, the "direct:local" isn't needed - that is the default options, which means: - direct = directly access the savefile (no RAM layer in between) - local = search all local drives (harddisk, dvd, usb ...) for the savefile and use the first one found I can guess where the slowness come from. It is probably because of the humongous initrd. 600 is optimised for operation from harddisk frugal install - humongous initrd is faster in this case. For dvd, the split-initrd (initrd + main sfs, the way standard puppy and 521 works) is probably faster. I've included support for split-initrd for flash drives, but I forgot about dvd, sorry  I'll see whether I can whack the remaster script to include support for split initrd too.
_________________ Fatdog64, Slacko and Puppeee user. Puppy user since 2.13 |
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jamesbond
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1573 Location: The Blue Marble |
Thank you
The appreciation should be extended to many people in this community too --- many of the packages in the Fatdog repository comes from our community in this forum: Billtoo, Mick (01micko), rcrsn51, Grant (smokey01) and probably others I forgot to mention
 600 comes with CUPS 1.5.2, I'm not sure how you could end up with CUPS 1.3.11 homepage? Which HP package did you install (can't view it from the screenshot - old eyes).
_________________ Fatdog64, Slacko and Puppeee user. Puppy user since 2.13 |
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01micko
 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld |
Swap isn't enabled by default.. is this by design or a bug?
EDIT: plus sda5 shows up on my desktop. EDIT2: /etc/fstab
hmm... forum doesn't format the code too well! _________________ keep the faith  ..  |
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jamesbond
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1573 Location: The Blue Marble |
By design. You need to add /dev/sda5 to /etc/fstab, then it will be enabled by default.
I thought it is a feature to know where your missing drives are. You can take this one out: edit /usr/sbin/fatdog-drive-icon-udev-handler.sh; goto line 317 and add "swap" as one of the filesystem type that we want to ignore.
Yes, definitely not too well, I don't get what you're trying to say? 
_________________ Fatdog64, Slacko and Puppeee user. Puppy user since 2.13 |
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Billtoo
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1507 Location: Ontario Canada |
Alpha2 and beta1 both work great for games like Openarena,Sauerbraten, and Nexuiz, most likely Xonotic too which I don't have on this hard disk yet. Other recent Puppy versions won't run these games, Wary and Slacko used to be but not recent versions of those pups.Saluki runs some games okay. Anyway, Fatdog gets a thumbs up for gaming
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01micko
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld |
Just that swap isn't in /etc/fstab, no problem. If I feel the need I can add it manually and I see from rc.sysinit it will get mounted. . I suppose most 64 bit machines have fairly large RAM and swap isn't all that necessary for day to day computing.
Cheers _________________ keep the faith .. |
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rcrsn51
 Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7834 Location: Stratford, Ontario |
Ummm... Are you using a shared browser cache with another Puppy? Because there is no way you should be seeing that. Can you duplicate it with a fresh install? |
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01micko
Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld |
Ok I have a printing problem which I can work around, but I can't find a 'proper' solution. I installed my canon-mp490 thanks to rcrsn51's instructions. I have already added user "mick" As user root I added the printer but could not print, permissions error on /dev/usb/lp0 I manually set the 'world' check boxes in rox and I can print as root. I added user 'mick' in the CUPS interface. He couldn't print! I then changed the line SystemGroup root to SystemGroup lpadmin in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and 'mick' can print. After every reboot though I have to reset the /dev/usb/lp0 file and tick the 'world' boxes. Every time I made a change I restarted CUPS to be on the safe side. _________________ keep the faith .. |
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jamesbond
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1573 Location: The Blue Marble |
I initially created 32-bit libs because I saw so many games in the PET sections, but they were only for 32-bit puppies ...
 perhaps need to add one more FAQ entry. The reason I'm not doing swap partition detection is the boot delay it incurs
Hmm ... The udev-rules (/etc/udev/rules.d/54-fatdog-permission.rules) is set so that printer device nodes are owned by "lp" group. Do you mind checking whether that's the case? (ie - what is the user/group for /dev/usb/lp0 when you plug the printer?). All users including root is part of the "lp" group, and therefore should be able to access the nodes. I'm surprised that even root cannot print. Perhaps I set the mode wrongly. I'm not too sure about the SystemGroup cupsd.conf, I need to have a read here (or perhaps rcrsn51 can enlighten me ...), I'm happy to add lpadmin to the SystemGroup if needed. EDIT: Permissions of /usr/lib64/cups/backend/* get borked. It should be 0500 - I think the iso build system may have screwed it. If you chmod them to 0500, you will be able to add/remove and print as users directly, no need to modify cupsd.conf or the device node permissions. CUPS-PDF however only shows its prompt on the first screen, if you happen to run multiple desktops ... _________________ Fatdog64, Slacko and Puppeee user. Puppy user since 2.13 |
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Billtoo
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1507 Location: Ontario Canada |
I installed shinobar's grub4dos 1.8 from page 1 of this thread and it booted to the desktop in 17 seconds, thanks |
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rcrsn51
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 7834 Location: Stratford, Ontario |
With that fix, USB printers are now being detected again. I also tested printing a web page as spot, and that worked. However, 32-bit drivers like Mick's MP490 are a nuisance. Even after you go through all the steps in the Help, there are two more: 1. When you re-install the printer, make sure that you select the "usb" choice, NOT "cnijusb". The latter uses /dev/usb/lp0 which will fail because of permissions. The former will work correctly. 2. You need the following 32-bit symlink
However, this link probably won't survive a reboot (I didn't check). The new 32-bit compatibility pack will need to contain it. |
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kirk
Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1334 Location: florida |
Thanks Shinobar, it will be in the next release. And thanks to Billtoo for testing it.
If you play Urban Terror, which is another Quake3 based game, the game engine that comes with there last release is too old. I compiled an updated one a few months ago. It's here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/other/urbanterror41-engine.tar.xz
Just to echo what James said. It's off by default. If you need to use swap on a regular basis you really should buy some more RAM, fortunately most 64bit PCs come with enough RAM. Also Swap causes a security issue for people running encrypted save files. |
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