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Have a Bluetooth Keyboard that you use with Puppy?
yes
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Eldon

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jun 2012, 05:40    Post subject:  Bluetooth for Slacko?
Subject description: Trouble getting bt keyboard to work
 

I can't even get bluetooth on Slacko(5.3.1) to work. I installed the slackware bluetooth packages in the package manager, but it doesn't work.

There's a Bluetooth Manager icon in the system section of the menu, but it doesn't do anything.

Can anybody help?

I really want to use my bt keyboard/touchpad like this one:
http://www.ipazzport.com/10a.html

Will it even work with a combo keyboard/mouse device like that?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jun 2012, 15:16    Post subject:  

One possible issue.
In Puppy Package Manager.
When you download Slackware packages, from Slackware repositories, you need to do a check for dependent files that also need to be downloaded.
When you select one of the entries a preinstall window will show.
Follow the directions given.
Click Examine dependencies button.
Will get dependency download window.
Make sure everything is checked. including program package.
Click on Download and install selected packages.
Program should now be installed with all dependencies.

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Eldon

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jun 2012, 18:00    Post subject:    

Thanks.
libpython2.6.so.1.0 was missing for blueman

So I installed python_plus-2.6.6-i486-s and it said...

It had these missing library files:
libtcl8.5.so libtk8.5.so
libgoocanvas.so.3
libtk8.5.so libtcl8.5.so


BUT then
, I started from scratch, without loading any save file, updated the package manager, and installed bluez-firmware-1.2, then bluez-4.91, and then blueman-r708 and gstreamer was a dependency, and upon installing it, it said

libgudev-1.0.so.0, and libvisual-0.4.so was missing, and THEN I removed, reinstalled blueman, and gstreamer- and it said no missing libraries.


BUT it still does nothing when I click bluetooth manager in the menu

What's up with that?

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 00:09    Post subject:  

Quote:
So I installed python_plus-2.6.6-i486-s

How did you install? From package manager?
Details?

In PPM,
When downloading the packages from Slackware repositories. Did you check for dependencies before downloading?

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Eldon

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 00:18    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
So I installed python_plus-2.6.6-i486-s

How did you install? From package manager?
Details?

In PPM,
When downloading the packages from Slackware repositories. Did you check for dependencies before downloading?


YES AND YES.- I ALWAYS use PPM and check for dependencies, but even when it reports none are missing, bluetooth manager does nothing when I click it. As I just posted(edited last post) it will say they are missing, then on removal and reinstall, it won't show any as missing. It baffles me, and makes me wonder if there's a bug in the PPM or something.

I can't ever find the missing libraries either, when it says they're missing- how are we supposed to find them? Google, and this forum don't ever show any results with the missing libs, just other slacko posts etc.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 10:14    Post subject:  

Quote:
I ALWAYS use PPM and check for dependencies, but even when it reports none are missing,

I am not talking about the check for missing needed files that the PPM does after the download.
To make sure you understand. I refer back to my previous post.

In Puppy Package Manager.
When you download Slackware packages, from Slackware repositories, you need to do a check for dependent files that also need to be downloaded.
When you select one of the entries a pre-install window will show.
Follow the directions given.
Click Examine dependencies button.
(if button not there, check is not required)
Will get dependency download window.
Make sure everything is checked. including program package.
Click on Download and install selected packages.

I was never sure the programs you are trying to install will run bluetooth on Puppy. I do not have bluetooth, but was trying to help you make sure you at least had all you needed, for the programs you downloaded.
Missing lib files is a gray area with Puppy because it does a lot of stuff the Puppy way.

For bluetooth in Puppy try using this search site:
http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html
Try bluetooth for first search
Should come up with something that may help you.

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Eldon

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 11:07    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
I ALWAYS use PPM and check for dependencies, but even when it reports none are missing,

I am not talking about the check for missing needed files that the PPM does after the download.

When you download Slackware packages, from Slackware repositories, you need to do a check for dependent files that also need to be downloaded.

Make sure everything is checked. including program package.


Thanks.
I never neglect to install the dependencies. I know what you're talking about. I know it's hard to believe, and I'm getting distracted talking about the libs and I'm a newb, but not that new.

bigpup wrote:
I was never sure the programs you are trying to install will run bluetooth on Puppy. I do not have bluetooth, but was trying to help you make sure you at least had all you needed, for the programs you downloaded.


Yeah, I know, thanks, but that's not the problem, the missing libs, maybe, but not the dependencies. If that were all it was I wouldn't have had to post on this board. Maybe someone who actually has a working BT keyboard can chime in, if there is one?

bigpup wrote:
Missing lib files is a gray area with Puppy because it does a lot of stuff the Puppy way.


Maybe that's why every single version of puppy(best linux version I've ever tried, and I've tried a few) I've tried over the years makes me disappointed and go back to Windows.

bigpup wrote:
For bluetooth in Puppy try using this search site:
http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html
Try bluetooth for first search
Should come up with something that may help you.


Been there, done that. That's why I posted to start with. Tried in the puppy apps part- no results.

Tried "bluetooth keyboard" in the top section, and wound up here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=52973

And upon trying to install libxcb.pet, nothing happens. Then when I reboot x....all I get is and X cursor and black screen. No idea how to fix that other than deleting my slacko save. Reboot didn't help. Maybe it would work without some of those packages, as that's from puppy 4.3.

Most topics are about phones and I'm not sure if that would work with a keyboard.

Gonna keep looking

Thanks for helping, bigpup.

I've managed to get it detected and bind with rfomm in the console.(but not sure what channel I should use)

That's as far as I've gotten. I have not yet been able to find out how to actually pair the keyboard from the command line.
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Eldon

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 12:49    Post subject:    

Something happened.

I'm not sure what I did, but now there's a bluetooth icon in the taskbar, and it seems that it could detect my keyboard(no longer on reboot), but not as a input device. it was detected like a phone- on right-clicking the icon it had an option to send files to the device.

When I click "Setup New Device" nothing happens.

If anybody can help me with blueman/bluez etc. so that it can detect it as a keyboard, I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks, guys.
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Eldon

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 14:02    Post subject:  IPazzport BT Keyboard in puppy!  

WOO HOO! I got it to work!!! Shocked

I'm gonna try to figure out what I did, get it to do that at boot, and post it if I can!!!

Thanks bigpup! I couldn't have done it without that link to wellminded.

I installed the slackware packages I mentioned, and gconf and some other things- but I think the reason it worked is actually the console input.

I think, all I had to do was type this:




hciconfig hci0 up
hcitool scan
hcitool inq
hidd --connect DC:2C;26:A0:E6:05


Now I have to put the above in every time I boot, and can't figure out how to make it work at startup.

Some of the stuff I tried first

In the console I put:

dbus-daemon --system Got a error - no matter

modprobe bluetooth
modprobe l2cap error - don't think it was needed
modprobe rfcomm
modprobe btusb
hciconfig hci0 up
hciconfig hci0 class 0x3e0100
mknod -m 666 /dev/rfcomm0 c 216 0
bluetoothd
mkdir /root/a


hcitool scan
hcitool inq
hidd --connect My keyboards mac address

And voila!
Hope this helps somebody!
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 15:10    Post subject:  

Great news! Very Happy
Glad I was not shooting blanks with advice.
If you can figure out what you did and write a how to. That would be great.
Please be specific with the details.
Good luck! Very Happy Cool

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 15:30    Post subject:  

Quote:
#!/bin/sh
hciconfig hci0 up
hcitool scan
hcitool inq
hidd --connect DC:2C;26:A0:E6:05

Now I have to put the above in every time I boot, and can't figure out how to make it work at startup.

Try this:
Make a startup script of the above commands and place it in /root/startup directory. Any scripts in this directory are run on startup.

How to make script file.
In Rox file manager:
Go to /root/Startup.
Right click in open area.
In menu, go to new->Script.
Give script a name like Bluetooth.
Should now have file bluetooth in /root/Startup.
Right click on bluetooth file.
select Open as Text.
Now in text editor, make text look like above code.
Save changes.
Close text editor.
Now should have working text script file bluetooth.

Not sure if you do or do not need this at top of code #!/bin/sh

Reboot so script is run.

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Eldon

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Aug 2012, 19:33    Post subject:  

Ok, for those wanting to install bluetooth in Slacko 5.3.1:

1)
Open Puppy Package Manager

2)
Install the following
Bluez firmware
Bluez libs and utilities
bluez hcidump (may not be needed but it won't hurt)
Bluetooth-0.4.pet from here

You should also be able to find the last one mirrored here in case smokey01's host let's the smoke out of their servers.

3)Reboot

You should see a bluetooth icon in the task bar.
It should be fairly straight forward from there- make sure to set it to 'visible'
You should also have some Icons in the network menu such as Bluetooth Wizard.

Now you should be able to use bluetooth, and if you have a bt keyboard like me, you should be able to boot Slacko, and simply turn on the keyboard to have it start working.

If it doesn't work then check for missing dependencies and libs, and try the console commands posted above!

And above all make sure to let us know how it goes!!
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 02:59    Post subject: BT Headset in PUppy  

This thread specifically mentions keyboard-mouse.

But, for the record, of all the world's users of BT, BT headsets are the NUMBER 1 BT device, by far (and I mean really far)...in this world.

In fact, most every Puppy user has a cell phone and a blue tooth headset.

So, it does seem a simple step to connect a BT headset to any PUP that has BT support.

Hope this is a view for the benefit of the connection and make it easy to see applications which would use the BT headset.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 04:09    Post subject: Re: BT Headset in PUppy  

gcmartin wrote:
This thread specifically mentions keyboard-mouse.

But, for the record, of all the world's users of BT, BT headsets are the NUMBER 1 BT device, by far (and I mean really far)...in this world.

In fact, most every Puppy user has a cell phone and a blue tooth headset.

So, it does seem a simple step to connect a BT headset to any PUP that has BT support.

Hope this is a view for the benefit of the connection and make it easy to see applications which would use the BT headset.

Here to help


Yeah, it should help CONNECT with most BT devices, but much of the info on BT for puppy relates to use with phones, and specifically obex etc. which is not only unnecessary for the keyboard, but I think some of that info doesn't pertain to, or (entirely) explain how to get a input device like mouse/keyboard going.

I'm not sure if bluez does or does not have such features built in. It certainly works with my keyboard/touchpad combo, but some features may require other packages covered in other threads specifically relating to use with those devices.

This may not help you do more than connect to a phone. File transfers, may need obex, for example. However, if bluez or the bluetooth pet support them beyond simply pairing with them, then yes it should work fine.

If it works for you without other packages, let us know!!

As for you're other comments, that seems to be opinion stated so as to sound like indisputable fact. "For the record"- what sources do you have to back up the claim that BT headsets are "by far" #1? True or not, I find no proof of that either way.

With tablets increasing in numbers, and the line between them and smart-phones blurring, more and more people have a BT keyboard for their devices. I know more people with BT keyboards than ones that stick a transceiver in their ear.

I'm a puppy user, and not only do I not have a phone, cell phone, or a BT headset, I can find no surveys or any other data to support your claim that "most puppy users" have them.

Please refrain from making claims without sources. If it's your opinion, or impression etc. then be sure to word it that way.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 23:15    Post subject:  

Quote:
I'm a puppy user, and not only do I not have a phone, cell phone, or a BT headset, I can find no surveys or any other data to support your claim that "most puppy users" have them.

I have three old prepaid phones which i don't use. I cannot find any hints if they support IR or BT connections.

My three mice are IR and my keyboards are cabled.

Nor do i have any fancy things like headsets, joysticks, gprs, TVs, iPADS, Smartcards and here comes things i don't know about.

Just my <=2 cents.

Anyway, congrats for this thread.
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