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Testing Fatdog64-500rc2

#41 Post by Furanshisuko »

Hello to all!

My friend and I use a computer to edit video for work. Now we have that computer running Windows XP Pro 32 bits and Adobe Premier CS4.

I Think that a 64 bits architecture may work faster to encode-decode video, and save time to improve our bussiness; but because I`ve been using puppy with my notebook since several months, I hate the idea of updating to a more bloated software.

So I decided to give it a try and right now, I`m writing from Fatdog64-500rc2.

Here are some issues I have:

- The Net-wizard fails to setup dhcp ip, and Pwireless too.
Casually I had a very basic script to conect from terminal and made possible for me to conect to internet.

- I Haven`t found a CPU Frequency Scaling Tool.

- Kino has been very alien for me and my friend, a tool with a time line and layers like OpenShot would be better (also it has different features), is it posible to get a PET Package of it for 64 bits?

- How do I make a DVD with chapters from different videos?
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#42 Post by kirk »

- The Net-wizard fails to setup dhcp ip, and Pwireless too.
Casually I had a very basic script to conect from terminal and made possible for me to conect to internet.
Do you know what chipset your wifi card uses? Did you use iwconfig to connect?
- I Haven`t found a CPU Frequency Scaling Tool.


There's not one. Intel and AMD make special laptop CPUs for a reason :) .
- Kino has been very alien for me and my friend, a tool with a time line and layers like OpenShot would be better (also it has different features), is it posible to get a PET Package of it for 64 bits?

- How do I make a DVD with chapters from different videos?
I've did very little video editing. Someone asked about Openshot a while back. I think it had a lot of dependencies, python for one. Python is in the devx file if someone would like to try.

Final is coming soon!

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Using Fatdog64 beta3 and liking it a lot

#43 Post by Sit Heel Speak »

Hi kirk,

I have been using Fatdog64-500 beta3 for about a week now, on an AMD64 x2 6000+. What a treat!

Also tried it on a new Phenom II quad-core, also impressive. Hardinfo sees all 4 cores.

FPU Raytracing score on both is around 9. A little faster on the x2, probably because this machine has two sticks of DDR2 ram, the Phenom machine only 1.

It has no problem selecting the Radeon driver on an ATi 4550 card.

This bids fair to become my regular OS on my regular machine~

Cheers,
SHS

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#44 Post by jamesbond »

- I Haven`t found a CPU Frequency Scaling Tool.

Actually, I observe that all the modules required for cpu scaling is there. All you need is the GUI - and there is one. You can try this one http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=45143 - remember YMMV - I haven't tested it myself. If you do test it, let us now whether it works :)

Compiling OpenShot is a big project, I have the same itch but I can't pull myself doing it yet :p
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#45 Post by Furanshisuko »

That gui for the frequency scaling tool gave me this error:
Fail - Module powernow-k8 is not compatible
Please try another module
Of course that I`ve tryed other modules too, but that module was the one when working with other puppy versions..

BTW my pc for testing is an Acer Aspire 5050, which has an Atheros AR5007EG Wireless Network Adapter.

This is my little script to connect:

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
ifconfig wlan0 up
iwconfig wlan0 essid "linksys"
iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
dhcpcd -nd wlan0
Thanx for the help, this is a great proyect, and is perfect for some heavy video editing. Maybe we can ask to the person who built the PET package of Openshot for 32 bits.
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#46 Post by Lobster »

Compiling OpenShot is a big project, I have the same itch but I can't pull myself doing it yet
:cry:
I have been using Openshot in Ubuntu
Nothing else - well maybe kino
is simple, obvious and just works

Openshot was compiled for Puppy but did not display properly for me
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 339#336508

It makes perfect sense that more modern Puppy OS
should be running more demanding software 8)
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#47 Post by oui »

Hi

I agree...

Same thing with gnucash: it is actually the only one Linux software able to process with security chip cards and that only in the self compiled version!

An Fatdog needs definitively Skype . No distribution is complete without offering skype (it works good on U 10.4 but nothing to do in Debian SID for AMD 64 :oops: ) or kopete + skype or the new version of pidgin able to operate with skype.

For students and school one music sheet editor is a must: no complete educative work is possible without that. not only for music people (and there is no help online: you can write texts, or spread sheets, or chat online with zoho or meebo etc. nothing to do with music sheets... the only one thing you can do is try to use somewhat from the Microsoft world in wine :roll: :idea: ...)

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#48 Post by kirk »

Furanshisuko,

Frequency scaling may not do you any good. I read an article years ago about a guy who did some tests with a laptop that had a Pentium M. He removed the battery and connected an amp meter to the power supply, then did tests with the CPU at various frequencies and loads. With the CPU at (near) idle, the power consumption was the same regardless of the frequency. Under load, the lower frequencies used less power, but took proportionately longer to finish the task. So it seems that Intel (and probably AMD) have in their microcode routines to adjust frequency based on load, which only makes sense if your putting that much engineering into something. Intel clams on their web site that their laptop CPUs "automatically adjusts to users' unique workloads and reduces power consumption"

oui,

Skype is a binary download only (as far as I know) and is only 32bit. Yes, they do make a package for 64bit Ubuntu, but if you download that package you'll find it's binary is compiled 32bit. So Ubuntu 64bit must have a complete set of 32bit libraries available.

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#49 Post by jamesbond »

kirk wrote:Skype is a binary download only (as far as I know) and is only 32bit. Yes, they do make a package for 64bit Ubuntu, but if you download that package you'll find it's binary is compiled 32bit. So Ubuntu 64bit must have a complete set of 32bit libraries available.
Was about to say the same thing. Not even that, the so-called "static" package is not even statically-compiled - it's another dynamic 32-bit binaries with QT libs thrown in. So, it still doesn't work. A fully-static image will work (for example, try the static aaphoto - you will find that although it's a 32-bit binary, it works under FD64).

So what we can do? That's the problem with closed-source software - if it doesn't work, there is nothing that one can do. Perhaps you want to beg them to open their code, or at least, provide a real 64-bit binaries?

RC2 contains pidgin, actually, but I'm not aware that it's compatible with skype?

On the up side, I managed to compile openshot. It's 30MB pet and uses about 75MB after installation. Some of the icons are missing - but at least it seems to work :). Note - you need python, which is available in devx. If you don't want the devx, then you'll need to get the python packages from t2-packs yourself.

cheers!
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#50 Post by oui »

Hi Jamesbond
jamesbond wrote:So, it still doesn't work.
I am sorry, but it's wrong: On the site of Skype it is named "for Ubuntu" and it works correctly in Ubuntu 64 (but not in Debian 64). If you want, we can skype together, you with your 32 bit puppy and I with my Ubuntu 10.4 for AMD 64 :D ... It works: I did erase my Debian Sid partition for this reason to use Ubuntu and Skype and it is for me completely indifferent in which format it works: Important is only that the main functions of the globally installed software and not only Skype happens as exact as today possible according to the destination of the CPU and hardware design.

But renounce today to Skype? No. Consequently No...

For the same reason you can see on the forum that I regulary work with Quirky and that I consider, that I can't work any more with fatdog, because Skype works in Quirky and not in fatdog and I can't shut me down from rest of the world in fatdog as I am a Skype user thank Puppy years and years (puppy did propose all the time Skype as the rest of the Linux world did try to promote ekiga, the GnomeMeeting. It was the best choice: Ekiga did never reach the diffusion of Skype at all, so that the Ekiga user are in a closed restrictive areal...)

The matter is not if the software actually uses in all situations the full power of the hardware but if it allow an optimal globally use of it in actual kind of view.

Concerning this detail, I would like to refer you to the introduction of "Pelicanhpc" concerning the data format and the very bad usage of the ability of hardware.
Perhaps we also have in the next time a composed Puppy super computer in the manneer of Pelicanhpc clusters :idea: if we take care to optimise the use of the middle that we have at our disposition?

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#51 Post by kirk »

oui,

Open a terminal where your skype binary is located (maybe /usr/bin) and type "file skype" or in Puppy right click on it and go to properties. You'll see that the 64bit Ubuntu Skype package is a 32bit binary.

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#52 Post by Furanshisuko »

Jamesbond:

I'm glad, and can't wait to test your Openshot PET. So when you think it's near ready, share it please.

Kirk: I haven't measure the energy consumption, but I do see a drop in temperture and the fan of my pc runs more quietly, when I turn on Frequency scaling tool.
Maybe the difference is noticiable when using a more power hungry processor (instead of de Pentium M).
I don't expect you blindly believe my words, just pick any laptop, boot with one of the latest puppy versions and turn frequency scaling on, you will see the difference by yourself without measures..

Any way, my plan is to use fatdog64+video editors in a desktop computer.
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#53 Post by jamesbond »

Furanshiko, please see here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56390. kirk has released rc3, and I've released openshot there as well (you need the python pet to run it).
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#54 Post by jamesbond »

Furanshisuko wrote:That gui for the frequency scaling tool gave me this error:
Fail - Module powernow-k8 is not compatible
Please try another module
There is a bug in the that GUI. I have corrected it, and have uploaded it to the repo. Alternatively you can get it from the forum thread, page 4 (version 1.3-3).
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#55 Post by Lobster »

I've released openshot there as well (you need the python pet to run it).
. . . and I am using it with thanks

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#56 Post by Lobster »

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#57 Post by nooby »

Thanks rcrsn51 I thought something where odd about it.

Haha typical Nooby to not realize this is 2010 not april 2012.
So something about the way one give names to distros fooled me. :)

Obviously my brain don't really read what texts says. Embarrassing.
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#58 Post by rcrsn51 »

@nooby: Check the dates. This thread is for the old Fatdog, not Fatdog-600.

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#59 Post by Sage »

jb/kirk:
please see my response in beta2 thread. Ta.
Later:
Couldn't find the beta3 d/l on ibiblio???

Got me confused now (not difficult)! Beta3/600-beta2. Seem to have missed something important whilst away doing other stuff.

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#60 Post by James C »

Old thread from 2010. Current Fatdog64 -600 release is b2.

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