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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2012, 22:16    Post subject:  
Anniekin wrote:
Hey James,
Skype 4 seems to be working well, haven't seen any ads yet, unlike in the Windows version
Good to hear this!

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The new fatdog comes with the new kernel no-xorg.conf by default, what do I do to enable opengl to play windoze games Very Happy

is this enough to have as xorg.conf?
Section "Device"
Driver "radeon"
EndSection

or do i need to put more than that?

glxgears works with my current config (no-xorg) as well as glxinfo indicating rendering is on, yet Guild Wars complains about 3dx / direct x
Fatdog comes with full Xorg and Mesa OpenGL drivers (in other puppies usually called as "Xorg High" package). It provides native 3D facilities out of the box. Of course, if you need higher performance, you'll probably want the proprietary Catalyst driver.

But - I'm afraid windoze games are not supported properly in Fatdog. This is because Wine is 32-bit apps. Wine emulates DirectX using OpenGL, but being 32-bit apps it requires 32-bit OpenGL libraries - which are not in Fatdog and in all likelihood is not in the 32-bit libraries as well, sorry Sad Your best bet is to run wine with Slacko, and install "Xorg High".

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Also unrelated but PCM audio channel is not present on my new acer aspire 722, do i have to add some package?
Probably because your system is too new Smile Anyway, run "Pdiag.sh" and upload the output to me, I'll see what I can do (no promises).

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Window manager locks up alot on boot, not sure if it is because I plugged in a wireless mouse,
What do you mean by "window manager"? When does the lock-up happens? I have wireless keyboard and mouse plugged at all times and don't get the lockups ....

cheers!
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Anniekin


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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2012, 22:29    Post subject:  
Thanks James,

Pdiag info attached

I guess I need 'lib32-catalyst-utils'

What do I need to download and compile to get it?

I have a little experience compiling stuff from making pup4pentiums

pls advise,
thanks
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2012, 23:32    Post subject:  
Anniekin wrote:
Thanks James,
Pdiag info attached

Your soundcard isn't detected Sad
Either your card is too new; or your card need firmware. It's most likely the first one, unless you tell me that you can get other puppies to produce sound here.
Generally there isn't any solution to this other than waiting until alsa driver is updated (Fatdog already has the latest driver).

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I guess I need 'lib32-catalyst-utils'
What do I need to download and compile to get it?
I have a little experience compiling stuff from making pup4pentiums
Probably not that one. You need the "catalyst-driver" or something like that; it's better if you get Slacko specific pets instead of the generic slackware packages. But beware: 32-bit packages will usually install to /usr/lib. In Fatdog, /usr/lib points to 64-bit packages, so a plain install will overwrite Fatdog's native library and your system will stop working. You need to install 32-bit packages to /lib32, /usr/lib32, and /usr/X11R7/lib32. You have to un-tar and copy the files over by hand.
If you do get it to work let me know Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2012, 23:38    Post subject:  
ok,

I dont have to compile anything right?

I'm getting that fatdog is slacko based

but the (much improved interface) package manager does not have the option to select slacko repositories like other puppy derivatives

so I will just try with the official slacko packages from ibiblio
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2012, 23:42    Post subject:  
Anniekin wrote:
ok,
I dont have to compile anything right?
I don't think so.

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I'm getting that fatdog is slacko based
No, Fatdog itself isn't based no Slacko. But the 32-bit compatibility libraries which is required for wine to work *is* based on Slacko, that's why I keep referring to Slacko here Smile

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but the (much improved interface) package manager does not have the option to select slacko repositories like other puppy derivatives
Yes, because all those packages won't work, unless you install the 32-bit compatibility library. Even then not all of them will work --- some just won't.

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so I will just try with the official slacko packages from ibiblio
That's the idea! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jul 2012, 01:54    Post subject:  
I know absolutely nothing but I've been told that FatDog 600 is T2 based Smile
Now many others are too so FatDog is Kirk and JamesBond based.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jul 2012, 17:14    Post subject:  
thanks,

btw, i figured out the issue with the WM locking up on startup

I eventually quit the X server before it locked up

the cli shows Fatal IO Errors for the jwm_applets which seem to be the culprit

some of them say between 1000 to 2000 requests made, could have been overloading my computer

could be caused by volume applet as my system is missing PCM, but the errors are returning for each applet
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2012, 05:26    Post subject:  
Ah, JWM isn't well tested or supported because myself and kirk don't use it. the jwm_applets consist of a few applets, you can disable them one by one to see which one works.

Fatdog 600 final is here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=79537
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jul 2012, 05:39    Post subject:  
To us who don't really know English abbrev....

TBD means?

TBD - Acronyms - The Free Dictionary
acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TBD
Acronym, Definition.
TBD, To Be Determined.
TBD, To Be Defined.
TBD, To Be Decided.
TBD, To Be Done.
TBD, To Be Developed.
TBD, To Be Discussed ...

Nooby's suggestion.

TBD, To Be Downloaded and booted now !
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012, 16:58    Post subject:  
I have followed your suggestions and packaged the slacko ati drivers renaming all etc and lib dirs to 32

I have uploaded at:

http://dimensions-web.com/downloads/amd_fglrx-12-1-3.1.10-slacko_pae-s_600.sfs

however it is not working
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2012, 17:51    Post subject:  
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I have followed your suggestions and packaged the slacko ati drivers renaming all etc and lib dirs to 32


I doubt that's going to work. Besides getting all the 32bit slacko ati stuff in the right placed you'll need a 64bit fglrx kernel module. You could possibly get that out of the Fatdog64 ATI pet package if it's the same version as the slacko version. That's going to take a lot of luck.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jul 2012, 10:00    Post subject:  
so... no gaming on fatdog?
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jul 2012, 10:07    Post subject:  
I've enjoyed the speed of Fatdog64 drive mounter so much that I failed to notice that all linux partitions are recognized as ext3. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Jul 2012, 11:17    Post subject:  
Yes, thanks, that's guess_fstype bug again. I see Barry has fixed it in Woof, I'm going to steal that for Fatdog hehehe Twisted Evil
EDIT: it's also busybox problem, so I have patched busybox to recognise ext4 correctly.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul 2012, 11:31    Post subject:  
For those of you who have trouble running some 32-bit stuff (especially Skype), here's a neat trick I discovered today.

I wanted to run Skype on my distro and it's 64-bit only, with 32-bit compatibility only in the kernel (e.g no 32-bit libraries) - this is a great solution. I had a weird issue - I couldn't run any graphical application and I solved it too.

In my testing I ran a Slackware 13.37-based, x86_64 distro against Slacko 5.3.4's beta.

Step 1: extract a main SFS of a 32-bit Puppy. Copy your .Xauthority file inside, so graphical applications can connect to your X server.
Code:
unsquashfs /path/to/puppy-4.3.1.sfs
cp ~/.Xauthority squashfs-root/root


Step 2: install your stuff, in my case it's just Skype.
Code:
cd squashfs-root
tar xvf ~/Downloads/skype_staticQT-4.0.8.tar.bz2
cd ..


Step 2: bind its virtual file systems and /dev to your running distro's ones, so it can access your hardware and kernel information.
Code:
mount --bind /dev squashfs-root/dev
mount --bind /proc squashfs-root/proc
mount --bind /sys squashfs-root/sys


Step 3: chroot! pwd is used to make sure chroot worked (the output will be"/")
Code:
chroot squashfs-root
pwd


Now you can do whatever you want inside that 32-bit Puppy, as if you were running it! The fun part is that all 32-bit stuff run in a sandbox so they cannot pollute your system (e.g /lib and /usr/lib) - you don't have to install anything.

The whole thing can be wrapped in a script, by the way, so executing Skype is transparent. Wink

EDIT: amazing. Wrote a script which automates this and now I can issue "skype" as if Skype was natively installed.
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