Fatdog64-600rc

[kirk]

If you're having problems with wpa_gui and you don't need the wl driver. Please answer some questions:

* What kind of encryption does your access point use? (none / WEP / WPA)

* Open a terminal and post the output of iwconfig (to copy text from the terminal, highlight the text and then press shift and delete at the same time. The select the text with glipper and paste.

* Open a terminal and post the output of wpa_cli status


Thanks for your help.

[jamesbond]

However, I've been totally unsuccessful in running from a multi-session dvd.As soon as the saved session starts to load there is an immediate kernel panic. Tried twice with 2 different dvds but then again it may just be me.

Huh? I tested the multisession DVD here, no problem.
Questions:
1. Do you use DVD+RW (that's the only I tested and confirmed to work)
2. How do you start the multisession? Here's how I do it:
- boot with livedvd
- shutdown - when asked about savefile, I tick the "save as multisession" and choose /dev/sr0
- reboot
- when the boot prompt comes back again, I typed "savefile=direct:multi"

I know net can be configured from boot line ...

Yes, but this is meant for booting off the network (e.g. savefile on the network). "net" boot option is quite limited (only supports wired/wpa/wpa2 at the moment). For normal operation wpagui/network-wizard is the way to go

Яadiøaktive TΣknik, thank you for your kind words. Glad that you like it.

New frugal installation on an ext4 partition is working great on my desktop computer with my usual installed programs including using getnvidia. Amazing speed and stability.

Sounds good! I'm going to make the nvidia.pet, but I think I'll upload shinobar's getnvidia to the pet repo too (in case newer nvidia version is released etc).

Requests for final release.
1. Faster loading of pmount (it takes about 35 seconds to load on my hardware).

That means a full re-write of the script ... may not be in time for final. Pmount today is still the same Pmount from Puppy days (521 days too), except for minor changes supporting multiuser. Anyway, I leave pmount more as a fallback rather than for regular use. Is there a situation where the standard drive icons doesn't work?

2. Include Frisbee.

This one will be quite hard ... please see kirk's post above mine, see what we can do to improve wpagui instead.

3. Include Woof “Desktop drive icon manager

[James C]

However, I've been totally unsuccessful in running from a multi-session dvd.As soon as the saved session starts to load there is an immediate kernel panic. Tried twice with 2 different dvds but then again it may just be me.

Huh? I tested the multisession DVD here, no problem.
Questions:
1. Do you use DVD+RW (that's the only I tested and confirmed to work)
2. How do you start the multisession? Here's how I do it:
- boot with livedvd
- shutdown - when asked about savefile, I tick the "save as multisession" and choose /dev/sr0
- reboot
- when the boot prompt comes back again, I typed "savefile=direct:multi"

Past midnight here so I'll retest tomorrow with "savefile=direct:multi" I have a sneaking suspicion that will solve the problem.Will report back.

[jamesbond]

Past midnight here so I'll retest tomorrow with "savefile=direct:multi" I have a sneaking suspicion that will solve the problem.Will report back.

No worries. Can I confirm whether you did a remaster for the first session too? gcmartin has been telling me he has problem doing the remasters (they won't boot), but I can't reproduce that too All my remasters boot fine.

[James C]

Past midnight here so I'll retest tomorrow with "savefile=direct:multi" I have a sneaking suspicion that will solve the problem.Will report back.

No worries. Can I confirm whether you did a remaster for the first session too? gcmartin has been telling me he has problem doing the remasters (they won't boot), but I can't reproduce that too All my remasters boot fine.

All I've attempted to do was merely save the first session and reboot.Kernel panic came on reboot.

[James C]

Success ...... adding "savefile=direct:multi" worked, posting from the multi-session dvd with a saved session already on disc.
I use DVD+R so they are confirmed to work too.

Now it's time for some sleep......

[Gobbi]

If you're having problems with wpa_gui and you don't need the wl driver. Please answer some questions:

* What kind of encryption does your access point use? (none / WEP / WPA)

* Open a terminal and post the output of iwconfig (to copy text from the terminal, highlight the text and then press shift and delete at the same time. The select the text with glipper and paste.

* Open a terminal and post the output of wpa_cli status


Thanks for your help.

I use a wpa2 encryption with hidden ESSD .
wpa_cli status reports it is scanning for the right MAC address , but obviously it doesn't relate it to the name of my network that I provide and save .
In the edit panel I don't know what does it serve the IDString ...

The same data I fill in the Network Wizard works fine
Once the connection is acquired with Network Wizard , the next custom version of fatdog I make remembers the network data in Network Wizard but does not start the net automatically ( frisbee did )...
Anything that makes the network start for a live CD it's good , not that I'm fond with a particular one ...


Now , I noted this :
Starting the Network Wizard right after I unmute the hdmi sound from Alsa Mixer makes fatdog freeze . Mouses ( I added an USB one to see if it helps ) , keboard - all stuck. First I thought it was because of my custom versions ( FD64 600b2 & FD64 600 rc ) or because I started from the new installed lxpanel.pet network button , but it happend today on the downloaded version FD64 600 rc .
If I let pass , let's say , 10 sec between , then it's allright.

kirk : I post iwconfig and wpa_clii status :

[Billtoo]

But today, I'm writing from FD64 and I opened VLC>Media>Capture Devices and there was my PVR tuner. Clicked that and and a TV program played! Only problem is I can't change the channel and it's stuck on American Idol.

I don't own a pvr, so I can't help you with that. Billtoo may be able to help.

cheers![/quote]

I have to go into the room where there satellite reciever is and use
the remote to change the channel, I have cable running from the
reciever to my computer room.The satellite programmer allows me to
auto tune to channels for programs if I take the time to do that.

That's the only way that I know of, I had a reciever a few years ago
with a small antenna thingy that allowed using another remote control
from another room in the house but I no longer have that.

For unattended recording etc, I think you'd need Mythubuntu.
If the VLC pvr is capable of more I don't know about it.

[bark_bark_bark]

I am downloading right now.

[jamesbond]

All I've attempted to do was merely save the first session and reboot.Kernel panic came on reboot.

Above is an important clue. I managed to reproduce the crash. Running without "savefile=direct:multi" should not cause the boot to fail with a kernel crash (at most, the sessions are not loaded - but it shouldn't cause crash). Thanks, and it is now fixed for final.
Glad to hear that it works for DVD+R too

[Gobbi]

Control Panel / Display Properties is not opening normally...

-Display-
Resolution : 1360x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on AMD JUNIPER
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation


Booting with parameters nomodeset pfix=vesa and Display Properties is working ... maximum : 1024x768 pixels

Waitng with patience for ati_catalyst_driver pet to reach better resolution

[bark_bark_bark]

i didn't test much, but everything I did does.

[gcmartin]

However, I've been totally unsuccessful in running from a multi-session dvd.As soon as the saved session starts to load there is an immediate kernel panic. Tried twice with 2 different dvds but then again it may just be me.

Huh? I tested the multisession DVD here, no problem.
Questions:
1. Do you use DVD+RW (that's the only I tested and confirmed to work)
2. How do you start the multisession? Here's how I do it:
- boot with livedvd
- shutdown - when asked about savefile, I tick the "save as multisession" and choose /dev/sr0
- reboot
- when the boot prompt comes back again, I typed "savefile=direct:multi"

Thanks JamesBond.

I have been so used to using Live media in the "old" Puppy tradition, that I discounted the need to use the "savefile" parm on boot. I just (wrongly) assumed ....

Yes the savefile parm does avoid the problems.

Is the savefile going to be a replacement for the older method or is this for current debug and shakedown testing?

DVD-R also works. So your documentation should be updated and the DVD+RW reference could be removed.

Thanks for all the good stuff you and Kirk are doing.

[Jim1911]

New frugal installation on an ext4 partition is working great on my desktop computer with my usual installed programs including using getnvidia. Amazing speed and stability.

Sounds good! I'm going to make the nvidia.pet, but I think I'll upload shinobar's getnvidia to the pet repo too (in case newer nvidia version is released etc).

Requests for final release.
1. Faster loading of pmount (it takes about 35 seconds to load on my hardware).

That means a full re-write of the script ... may not be in time for final. Pmount today is still the same Pmount from Puppy days (521 days too), except for minor changes supporting multiuser. Anyway, I leave pmount more as a fallback rather than for regular use. Is there a situation where the standard drive icons doesn't work? No, standard drive icons work fine, however, I prefer to have a clean desktop and use pmount as needed.

2. Include Frisbee.

This one will be quite hard ... please see kirk's post above mine, see what we can do to improve wpagui instead.

3. Include Woof “Desktop drive icon manager

[gcmartin]

There is a lot of horse-power exposed by this distro. And, it is obvious that a log of brain-power went into the making of this.

Thanks for the great-great work being done here.

The distro ONLY suffers from a single thing that I think would make every 64bit user (newbies, Apple users, Windows users, experienced users, etc) of this distro START with an immediate feeling of control:

The addition of a FATDOG-600 Localization Screen. This would/could follow in the efforts put forth by the good work of BarryK or Shinobar's version. It opens the first use of the desktop so that the user "SEE's" their local settings with controls for OOTB adjustments.

Experienced Linux users are comfortable searching for this stuff now buried in the Control Panel you provide. BUT, existing new users and exsiting users coming from current PUPs have become comfortable with the technology that is mentioned.

"FATDOG600 Initial User Localization" would be bringing this same kind of ease of use Puppy branding that we've become accustomed to since the changing from text based system starts to today's boot to desktop services we now enjoy.

Please consider the benefit this brings

Here to help

[Яadiøaktive TΣknik]

Happauge PVR-150 works and shows cable tv. Wireless worked. My wireless chip is RT8187 [Realtek]. The brand is Rosewill USB but I don't think that matters. Other realtek wireless chips probably work.

[gcmartin]

Hostname processing would benefit by a logoff. The X desktop restart does some of it, but the logoff addresses all of it that are used by most Linux apps. See results below.

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# smbd -V
Version 3.0.37
# echo "Initial boot - The following list fields containing system's hostname"
Initial boot - The following list fields containing system's hostname
# 
# hostname
fatdog64-40320
# echo $HOSTNAME
fatdog64-40320
# cat .etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost fatdog64-40320
192.168.1.1 pc2
192.168.1.2 pc3
192.168.1.3 pc4
# cat .etc/hostname
fatdog64-40320
# 

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# echo "Control Panel X Restart - The following list fields containing system's hostname"
Control Panel X Restart - The following list fields containing system's hostname
# 
# hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# echo $HOSTNAME
fatdog64-40320
# cat .etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
192.168.1.1 pc2
192.168.1.2 pc3
192.168.1.3 pc4
# cat .etc/hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# 

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# echo "Menu>Quit X Server - At prompt, LOGOUT"
At prompt, LOGOUT
# echo "The following list fields containing system's hostname"
The following list fields containing system's hostname
# logout
# hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# echo $HOSTNAME
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# cat .etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
192.168.1.1 pc2
192.168.1.2 pc3
192.168.1.3 pc4
# cat .etc/hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# 

[gcmartin]

When I boot live, then Menu>Network>Terminal Server Client;
the dropdown for protocols has XDMCP greyed-out.

Will report on remaster next 2 days.

I am testing the latest version download

Here to help

[jamesbond]

Is the savefile going to be a replacement for the older method or is this for current debug and shakedown testing?

This will be the way to go. If you use LiveDVD exclusively and do not want to type this at every boot, you can make a remaster and add the parameter to the isolinux.cfg (you will be asked to do this during remaster). For final at least you won't get a kernel crash if you forgot to type that boot parameter.

DVD-R also works. So your documentation should be updated and the DVD+RW reference could be removed.

Thanks, document updated now.

No, standard drive icons work fine, however, I prefer to have a clean desktop and use pmount as needed.

Noted. I won't be updating pmount now; not enough time and also I prefer not to make big untested changes near final release.

Ability to remove drive icons, and get rid of floppy drive icon (have no floppy drive).

I added option to fatdog event manager not to display drive icons. Nothing specific to floppy, though - it's all or nothing.

fpm-mirror-choice is not present, fatdog-package-manager.sh is not present at that location, see Pfind results below.

I checked - the filesize and file date of fatdog-package-manager.sh looks old and wrong. Are you sure you're using the correct initrd?

The addition of a FATDOG-600 Localization Screen. This would/could follow in the efforts put forth by the good work of BarryK or Shinobar's version. It opens the first use of the desktop so that the user "SEE's" their local settings with controls for OOTB adjustments.

Comment:
1. From another viewpoint: having to enter all these when one just want to use a throwaway live session is a hassle.
2. Putting in shinobar's/Barry's work is not just a plug-in, a lot has changed under the hood. Plus we need to consider multiuser stuff too - which one of these settings are global and which one are per-user? Etc. A lot of thinking and effort required to address this properly.

To Gobbi:
- network wizard hangs after alsa-mixer hdmi unmute: I can't help because I don't have HDMI
- "display property problem" - Probably your radeon is too new I'm using radeon open source drivers and display properties works ....

EDIT:

When I boot live, then Menu>Network>Terminal Server Client;
the dropdown for protocols has XDMCP greyed-out.

Ah, I find the culprit. You need to copy /usr/X11R7/bin/Xnest from devx; then XDCMP option will be enabled.

Final will be released in 24 hours time. This will bring a conclusion to Fatdog64 600 after 6 months of development.
Please let me/kirk know of any major showstopper problems. We can live with minor problems

[Gobbi]

Would it be possible to keep the nice boot splash image of Fatdog wich appears in the downloaded wersion in the the new custom versions that one rematers
It's not so important but if it's not so difficult ... The logo is too nice to be left out , in my opinion...