Where is Linux (where is Puppy) headed?

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Monsie · #21 Post by **Monsie** » Wed 04 Jul 2012, 08:21

There was this recent "publicity stunt" ...ahem... tech preview put on by Google.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574620 ... next-year/

Now if Lobster were to get the ball rolling on this cutting edge technology he could call it "Puppy Plexiglass".

...sorry Lobster, given your humor and wit, I couldn't resist...

Lobster · #22 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 05 Jul 2012, 11:23

Puppy Plexiglass

Already have the name 'Puppy Tint'

It is quite some way off.
The cool people will buy the first just about working devices in 2014.
How long it takes to enter the mainstream is dependent on marketing, price and so on. It is in effect an always on smart phone like device and is the beginning of implantable computing, which may be a bit scary to start with.
The dominance of Apple and Google in this arena will be challenged by some new upstart. Reality enhancement means interest from the entertainment industry, media moguls and those wishing to mind meld product and consumer . . .

Strange days ahead.
. . . meanwhile the Nexus 7" Android tablet is getting great reviews.
http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/03/googl ... s:dsc02161
Something like this but cheaper is what we need next as reference hardware.

john biles · #23 Post by **john biles** » Wed 11 Jul 2012, 14:42

I use Legacy OS on line as well as off line for a number of reasons. If the world stops wanting to connect to Legacy OS that's alright as it will still be used for those off line projects. Only hardware failure will stop its use.

Posting from a 1999 Pentium III still going strong running Legacy OS 2.

Let the world go touchscreen I don't care...

nooby · #24 Post by **nooby** » Wed 11 Jul 2012, 15:28

I wonder about this detail re IPad
"The battery works."

I've heard that on many many Apple products the battery is glued to the
case so it does not work at all to change it. You need to buy a new gadget
or to get expert help to replace it. One guy got a burning smartphone
when he tried to un-solder the battery on his Iphone himself.

tasmod · #25 Post by **tasmod** » Thu 12 Jul 2012, 07:52

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."

"Inventions reached their limit long ago, and I see no hope for further development."

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."

Last but not least:---

"But what ... is it good for?" -- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.

Lobster · #26 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 12 Jul 2012, 08:55

Let the world go touchscreen I don't care...

No reason why you should.

When I bought my first over £1000 computer - which even John would not be using now, I insisted on a monochrome screen. Everyone was using colour by then but monochrome if you could get it (I did) was cheaper, sharper and involved less radiation.

In the future all screens will be touch enabled, it is just the way it will be . . .

I never liked early mobile phones, too small, too fiddly, too intrusive. I do not want people phoning me when it suits them. However now phones are smarter and most people do not use them for phone communication via the overpriced connection scammers. Mobile superphones (coming soon) will be bigger, better and with more features. We have to be able to at least communicate with tphones. Same with the larger phones (minus communication emphasis) known as tablets.
Most of the phones are being hampered by the major sellers.
Those providing connection and overcharging for it.

Google makes money by selling ads.
Apple makes money by overpricing.
Microsoft makes money through repackaging and marketing.

What do you want Puppy to do? What we use and test, will encourage developer/users.

I have always wanted voice recognition. Touch screen as an option
and a HUD.

Puppy
Tux future

gcmartin · #27 Post by **gcmartin** » Thu 12 Jul 2012, 22:52

Don't how many had noticed that last November-December, I had to occasion to assist someone's dieing computer. It was the HP Touchsmart. When I booted Lighthouse64 on it, it worked fabulousely and I was able to recover his data prior to system repairs to Windows (thanks to a 64bit tool from Jamesbond).

I was able to "touch" everything. So, from that point of view, TouchScreening WORKS! in Puppy, at least in LH64.

I, like you, Lobster, am waiting for voice activation in Puppy, too.

Maybe some day.

jpeps · #28 Post by **jpeps** » Fri 13 Jul 2012, 09:50

gcmartin wrote: I, like you, Lobster, am waiting for voice activation in Puppy, too.

Maybe some day.

I've tried yelling at my computer, but it's never helped.

Lobster · #29 Post by **Lobster** » Fri 13 Jul 2012, 10:42

[/quote]I've tried yelling at my computer, but it's never helped.[/quote]

I am quite intrigued by peoples emotional response to computers. Puppy is strangely addictive. Some Apple fanboys and Penguins are cultish in their involvement. I wonder if this a symbiotic thing . . .

kooliepup · #30 Post by **kooliepup** » Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:14

I too am wanting voice activation ASAP.
I often yell to my ISP to hurry-T-F up, but that hasn't worked yet.
One day it will all happen.

------------
koolie, the eternal optimist.

Lobster · #31 Post by **Lobster** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 07:04

HUD has been around a long time.

First for the military and it is coming for mainstream cars and eventually it will be in the glasses of good looking marketable cool and trendy boys, gals + comedy sheep.

It will take a while. I hope after the fiasco of Wii U (not yet happened) Nintendo will bring forward its plans of a brain controlled console (already more than prototypes are out there from other companies).

. . . meanwhile tablets . . . I can report I am using my tablet 40% of the time and the other 60% Puppy - still need that keyboard.

We have prior art for the surface tablet and others have been providing tablets with blue-tooth keyboard covers. It is an obvious necessity. A blue-tooth dock with charger, USB connections for keyboard, mouse etc will no doubt emerge soon enough.

The tablet for all non trekkies is an obvious all in one computer.

So I will eventually be using a tablet for consuming and playing
with a real keyboard (optional) which will have a
screen bigger and lighter than the average laptop.
All this has to be hyped, over priced and then mass marketed.

I will run penguin (even Ubuntu if need be) and Puppy
on my next tablet. This is where Puppi is heading.
It is a journey.

Puppy
It's Linux Jim but not as we know it . . .

sickgut · #32 Post by **sickgut** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 09:45

gcmartin wrote:By 2017, laptops will be a thing of the past for most people of the world. In the home, Entertainment Centres will be doing what laptop/desktop PCs do today...in the home. All Cell Phones will have NFC (Near Field Communications) built-in. In the workplace systems will be varied by function of the business requirement(s). Touchscreens will be everywhere.

The desktop OS of today will be morphed into a App store system, where users would elect to control it via gestures as well as speaking to it. Desktop OSes will be much more geared to carrying out spoken/gesture orders from its users versus typed or mouse clicks

Garments, headsets, and gloves will synch with OSes and will provide/allow wearers to instuct and interact with the systems you have.

The language will change from your Personal Computer to your "Personal System".

"Will there still be a Puppy in the house? Or, will it be a dog."

back in the year 2001, one year before i was forced to give up my computer wh-oL-esaL-e business (murga linux automatically edits the word w h Ole-sa-l-e as "full retail + shipping" so i used the strange pacing and -'s to get around that as my business was actually selling to the retail sector not a part of it).

i strongly believed that computer systems in 5 years from that time would be small square cubes that cost $50 to the end user, and with no user serviceable parts inside (no business for us to sell parts) and would hook directly into your TV and would be an all in one solution for running your TV, recording it, gaming, websurfing and controlling the temperature of your house and your freezer and refridgerator etc.

This didnt happen in 2006 and i was wrong. I believed that after my 5 year lease on the warehouse expired, i would not renew it and have an ultra sale to get rid of my stock because i was convinced there would be no market for desktop computers.

Desktop computers will be around for many years for custom applications that are restricting on a laptop, a desktop will also let people customize the hardware to their needs and are the best choice for gamers and people using 3d modelling.

But what you are saying will happen, just not overnight.

nooby · #33 Post by **nooby** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 11:03

Future for computers is hard to predict.
Whom would knew that Nokia totally failed
to come up with smartphones that sell enough?

And all these very small smart TV things that also
can be used as "computers" I don't remember that
anybody talked about them some year ago?

Now we have three or four or five such competing.
Okay very few still in volume but the Smart TV concept
is gaining in popularity. Those who have Home Theater
like TV and Hifi Sound they want to include a way to browse
the internet for youtube and such and play it on the smart TV
and these small small boxes allow for that. And maybe allow
that one treat it as small computers too if one install something
else than Android on them.

linuxbear · #34 Post by **linuxbear** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 19:16

nooby wrote: Okay very few still in volume but the Smart TV concept

Smart TV usually = embedded Linux. one major manufacturer just faced legal action because they added to busy-box without releasing the source code

nooby · #35 Post by **nooby** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 19:29

Do you remember how to find out more about that one.
I mean so not all of us buy the product and get illegal?

What does it mean to us what you referred to there?
Do we have to have legal expertise to use all these
MK802 and Mele1000 and RPi and what ahve you?

Bruce B · #36 Post by **Bruce B** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 20:07

I've learned through BusyBox that it is somewhat common for big companies to steal free software when selling their hardware.

BusyBox doesn't permit them to do that. First thing BusyBox does when discovering a company running BusyBox without license is write them a letter explaining the situation.

Typically the enterprise ignore the letter requesting compliance.

BusyBox has its attorneys and they file suit. The enterprise cannot ignore a lawsuit, because if they don't appear in court they lose by default. Therefore they hire attorneys for their defense. (note it never had to get this far if they'd have respected the BusyBox boys reasonable request)

Generally the defendant's attorneys upon looking at the facts agree to get into compliance. Basically, in order to comply they need to post or make easily available the source code, modifications, and etc.

BusyBox attorneys are willing be played chump by such an offer.

Think like this, someone steals something, then get arrested, then after arrest the criminal offers to simply pay for the stolen item. Neither the cops or the victim is morally or legally obligated to accept the swindle. The thief gets charges filed, appears in court as a criminal and if found guilty, he pays the crime or does the time.

There is not necessarily any way for the enterprise to 'get in compliance' after they refused BusyBox's request. Their right to use the software is not there, over and done.

They could go to court but they won't because what they did was willful.

Of course there is usually a way to solve problems, one need but take out a can of the universal solvent - money - and buy your way into good graces.

Anyway that's my ad hoc way of telling the story. There is a more authoritative source who explains it differently, namely the BusyBox boys.

I recommend reading the page at: http://www.busybox.net/license.html

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nooby · #37 Post by **nooby** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 20:20

There where much to read through on that page

I agree very important such.

What I fail to get is. Which of the many products that we link to
on Puppy forum does use BusyBox illegally?

Does any of them use it legally and which one is that.

RPi,
Mele1000
MK802
MiniX
FXI Cotton Candy
TizzBird fourth generation?

I have forgotten many others
So are all of them exploiting BusyBox
or none of them or what? I fail to see what is going on?

TizzBird seems to be the one I have a chance to buy here in Sweden
in a simple way. They have a site in Swedish about it and easy way
to pay???
all of the others one need to have good luck byying and takes long time?

I also hope that FXI Cotton Candy maybe will be easy to buy.
Them coming from Norway should maybe be fairly easy to buy?

Don't get me wrong I do apprciate your text and link. Very interesting
but how does it relate to what Barry do with all these small gadgets with
ARM on them. Are all of these illegal then and just waiting to get busted?

Bruce B · #38 Post by **Bruce B** » Mon 16 Jul 2012, 21:24

nooby wrote:So if you built an unmodified BusyBox release and you point people at the URL to the SPECIFIC source tarball on busybox.net you built it from and truthfully say "that's it, no patches", we've accepted that as compliance even from commercial companies.

BusyBox answers about all the questions in a single page. The general idea with FOSS is we give back what we receive and also any enhancements we made to the source.

My impression from reading the page is Barry and all vendors I know of are fine with the Busybox developers.

As for the requirement for providing the source code, as long as it is not modified by us, basically we need to is provide a link to BusyBox download page, which is lenient.

Also, Busybox states on the page that, in essence, what is is mostly wanting is appropriate respect and attitude when using their property. In other words, if we are not in compliance and we want to get in compliance and work with them, they will work with us.

Here is what I think may be a major mistake of how many of us go about things. We ask questions of the wrong people.

How about submit comments, insults, questions, suggestions and bribes to the appropriate developer? The reason why is you will receive more authoritative advice and critique.

In this case, your question is a legalistic one and may require the advice of an attorney to get real clear. What I want to say is I don't enough about copyright law to be giving authoritative answers. I'm unqualified and untrained and don't take what I say as gospel.

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nooby · #39 Post by **nooby** » Tue 17 Jul 2012, 04:28

Bruce I am too dense to catch up.

How is BusyBox at all related to any of these

Does any of them use BusyBox legally and which one these below is that.

RPi,
Mele1000
MK802
MiniX
FXI Cotton Candy
TizzBird fourth generation?

I mean how come that you did mention BusyBox at all in the thread?

Bruce B · #40 Post by **Bruce B** » Tue 17 Jul 2012, 04:52

nooby wrote:Bruce I am too dense to catch up.

How is BusyBox at all related to any of these

Does any of them use BusyBox legally and which one these below is that.

RPi,
Mele1000
MK802
MiniX
FXI Cotton Candy
TizzBird fourth generation?

I mean how come that you did mention BusyBox at all in the thread?

For me it started right here, on a Linuxbear reply to you.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 811#640811

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