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pemasu


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 17:57    Post subject:  

There is also pdftk and pdfchain which gives gui for pdftk. I created eons ago pets for them for Lucid Puppy. I believe the pets in Lucid Puppy repo are little wrongly packaged. These versions works.

They need all libgtkmm,libcairomm, libglibmm,libpangomm framework. Those should be in Lucid Puppy...still ?
Libgcj and libgcj-common were needed also in dpup exprimo.
After installing those it works in dpup exprimo also, I installed the libs from debian repo.

http://pdfchain.sourceforge.net/

http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit
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Henry

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 18:27    Post subject:  

Thanks, Pemasu,

Good to know. (My puppy is too old to have the dependencies.)
But anyone using Linux who is a serious enough writer to be editing pdfs should probably be using LibreOffice anyway (instead of the troublesome Abiword) and will already have most of these facilities "paid for" in the sfs.

Henry

BTW I just tried pdfchain. Of course it didn't run, missing a dependency, but when I uninstalled it it left about 5 Mb of residue in the save file. After this many years of Puppy I have "restore from backup" down to an art !
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disciple

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 20:52    Post subject:  

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Good to know.

The other main one out there is Podofo.

Henry wrote:
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Pdfshuffler is not for editing the content that is on the page - it is for rearranging pages, splitting, merging, rotating, deleting, cropping

I have not tried all these things, but they would appear to also work in LibreOffice. Pages, for example, can be easily moved about with cut and paste in the left index column.

Yes, or by drag and drop.
But I've just done some testing, and as I expected:
- the import/export process is quite slow.
- the page content is "messed up": some pictures have disappeared, the size and spacing of a lot of text has changed slightly, and some of the colours have also changed very slightly.
As you can see, the distinction is not without a difference Wink

They've done a pretty amazing job with libreoffice, and I'm sure for a lot of documents and a lot of purposes it will be fine, but I'll still be recommending people use something like Pdfshuffler if they don't need to edit the page content.

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But anyone using Linux who is a serious enough writer to be editing pdfs should probably be using LibreOffice anyway (instead of the troublesome Abiword)

Hmmm.
I don't see any connection between being a writer and editing PDFs. e.g. in fields like civil engineering the most regular users of Acrobat Standard are the CAD drafters, most of whom aren't writers at all.
But anyone writer with sense would be using some sort of Latex system. Word processors are just trouble if you need to write serious reports or something.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 20:54    Post subject:  

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but when I uninstalled it it left about 5 Mb of residue in the save file

Was the residue really there? I've found that sometimes freememapplet doesn't indicate that space has been freed up until quite a while afterwards.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 22:56    Post subject:  

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- the page content is "messed up": some pictures have disappeared, the size and spacing of a lot of text has changed slightly, and some of the colours have also changed very slightly.

The principal bug I've seen (just now) is the loss of full justification, resulting in a ragged right. This is serious, and will I expect be fixed. Haven't lost any pictures. BTW, I assume you are using the latest LO-3.5.1? Does pdfedit have bugs - just asking; I haven't used it.

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But anyone writer with sense would be using some sort of Latex system. Word processors are just trouble if you need to write serious reports or something.

Sounds a bit ad hominem. Writers can be quite opinionated about their tools. I won't pursue that except to note that I have written and published a catalog of successful books however innocent of LaTeX. www.henrystrobel.com
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Henry

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 23:01    Post subject:  

disciple wrote:
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but when I uninstalled it it left about 5 Mb of residue in the save file

Was the residue really there? I've found that sometimes freememapplet doesn't indicate that space has been freed up until quite a while afterwards.

Yes, the residue was really there although I didn't bother to identify it. It was still there after a reboot. It's not unusual for .pets to do this.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2012, 01:23    Post subject:  

The last time I tried to run pdfedit was some time ago. I just tried it again this evening with pdfedit-0.4.5-i486.pet and libqt-mt.so.3. This is the first time I've seen it; I guess it is working but haven't been able to absorb it yet. I can see there's a lot there - easy to use?- dunno.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Mar 2012, 05:11    Post subject:  

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easy to use?

No, not really.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012, 17:46    Post subject: Just keeping in touch on this  

I had sometime back filed a bug report on the jusification errors when Draw is used as a pdf editor. See:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47730
The bug was accepted by LibreOffice but not yet fixed. I would guess it's a tough one. A pdf editor is a tough one in any case, and here it's an adaptation of the old Sun extension. It works surprisingly well, all things considered, on simpler, smaller, left justified documents. Far from perfect, but I have used it on a few occasions.

The reason I'm writing now is that, having just installed the new stable LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 I can confirm it's no better in this area. (Thanks again to 01micko for the LibreOffice downloader-installer that makes it so easy.)

BTW, here's a good overall review article for pdf editors.
http://www.bestfreeonline.net/best-free-pdf-editor/
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2012, 09:45    Post subject: EDITING PDF IN DRAW
Subject description: Progress Report
 

Update on Bug 47730 - Editing pdf in Draw corrupts text justification

Here is my reply to LibreOffice today:
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Quote:
Good morning, Sasha,
I am now running LibreOffice 3.5.4.2
Build ID: 165a79a-7059095-e13bb37-fef39a4-9503d18
I had forgotten to retest but have now done so, and it looks excellent.
The test document I have attached is a difficult one, having started many years ago in WordPerfect, edited any times, imported into LibreOffice, and edited several times. It's a mix of various odd fonts and graphics so rendering is not perfect in some areas - but that's a different matter. I would say the bug is fixed - on the basis of limited testing.
Kind regards,
Henry Strobel
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disciple

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:22    Post subject: Re: Just keeping in touch on this  

Henry wrote:
BTW, here's a good overall review article for pdf editors.
http://www.bestfreeonline.net/best-free-pdf-editor/

Except that it doesn't cover most of them... it isn't really an overview of anything

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 01:01    Post subject: LibreOffice Draw as pdf editor SOLVED for 3.5
Subject description: EDIT Now REOPENED for Version 3.6.3.2
 

The latest release of LibreOffice includes a much improved Draw, which is really useful as a pdf editor.

I was pleased to help with this now cleared bug report.

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47730
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EDIT: 11 November 2012
I am now using Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5)

The same bug is back, which severely limits the ability to use Draw to edit pdfs with fully justied text. (It removes the right side justification, making it "ragged right."

I have REOPENED this bug report.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47730

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jul 2012, 18:18    Post subject:  

Interesting: on my decade old machine running Linux I get decent performance when importing PDFs to libreoffice. On a newer Windows machine at my work with much higher specs the performance is so rubbish as to be unusable. It takes hundreds, probably thousands of times as long to open the same pdf(s), and then to do anything in them...
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