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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 01:12    Post subject: Linus Torvalds on the BBC site today...  

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 01:40    Post subject:  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18419231
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 01:49    Post subject:    

Uh, thank you, I couldn't post the link, message body was blank when I hit submit...
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 01:53    Post subject: Re: Linus Torvalds on the BBC site today...  

It's because you placed the closing URL tag after the "Saw this on BBC new site, if the link works... Smile" text, rather than after the "18419231". The forum setup is a little problematic with 'incorrect' links inside the URL tags. (You'll get the blank post error, in that case.)
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Jun 2012, 01:57    Post subject:  

Is that what it was? Okay, thanks again, I thought it was me being a bit thick.... which frequently happens...
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2012, 16:23    Post subject: Puppy on old laptops
Subject description: Experience/questions about using puppy on old laptops
 

As a new Puppy Linux user, I've had my share of issues, but most involve how to get a configuration I can live with, and on a range of laptops. I use old Fujitsu Lifebooks for travel, a P-series as the source, and a B-series, one without a CD drive, as the target. The P-series uses a Crusoe 800 MHz processor (no fans) and the B a Pentium III. Wary 5.3 runs rather slowly on the P version, so I am looking for an earlier one that would work better, like tux 2.14, or Puppy 4.3.1?

In reading this thread, it is clear that many new users don't understand the level of knowledge required even to run one of the larger, and more commercial-like Linux systems (I run ubuntu on my desktop). I find that I am referring to reference materials on Unix/Linux often to make the systems do what I want them too. This is especially frustrating for Apple users, closed systems run so well, but Linux is designed to be the opposite, and is maintained by people who prefer supremely open systems. I'm not sure this divide can ever be bridged successfully as the approaches are so totally different. I congratulate you on the attempts.

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2012, 18:26    Post subject:  

drphysic, I think you make a key point in your second paragraph - one which I and many others had not fully grasped - thank you.

To paraphrase, if you really want to make it play your way, you really have to put in a bit of effort. I think Puppy has gone a long way to minimise the latter, but it remains as someone once said - 'the price of freedom is constant vigilance!' I'd certainly agree with that. Dumbing-down too far just doesn't cut it, the real challenge is getting the balance just right.

Although this thread is intended for comments rather than answers, I think your choices are wise .... I have great admiration for ttuuxxx's development, and I'm posting from an old box running 4.3.1 - my all-time favourite.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2012, 22:21    Post subject:  

Two "retro" versions of 4.3.1, built with older kernels but otherwise the same, are available here.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jul 2012, 20:03    Post subject: well well well long road but back here
Subject description: Slacko!
 

Well I have used windows all my life from 3.1 to vista. I picked up a dead laptop and tried all different versions of Puppy Lucid Racy Wary etc. even DSL Retro with little luck and put 98se on it for free. I then picked up a second newer one with better luck as I can do full installs on it. I have to say each version has it's good and bad points maybe that's just my experience Currently I am running Slacko on a Compaq Presario 700u with good performance etc except for wireless so I am using it's built in ethernet wired to my router not convenient but it works I tried Mint I had success with wireless but couldn't access repositories then I upgraded and then no wireless so here I am back with Slacko which I do like. I can download the software I need like Audacity So all in all I got what I paid for. So this laptop is one of 4 used units I have.
My last comment is Linux promises a lot friendly helpful people to help with problems but that was not what I found at Mint was zero zilch except for criticism of why didn't I do a search? . if I could find it by searching I wouldn't post a question. Here was pretty much the same I only got as far as I did was on my own. So I continue on my own but I had to post this here
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jul 2012, 08:07    Post subject: Re: well well well long road but back here
Subject description: Slacko!
 

sasha wrote:

My last comment is Linux promises a lot friendly helpful people to help with problems but that was not what I found at Mint was zero zilch except for criticism of why didn't I do a search? . if I could find it by searching I wouldn't post a question. Here was pretty much the same I only got as far as I did was on my own. So I continue on my own but I had to post this here


That's a bit unfair Sasha. I have just checked your posts and except for the last thread you started you have had plenty of replies.

It is not often that someone is told to search on this forum - if only because it is quite difficult to do unless you use the Wellminded search. Nevertheless, it happens sometimes, usually with very common problems that keep being raised, such as getting wireless to work. That particular problem seems to be a bugbear of Linux in general, not just Puppy. I don't know why because I am not knowledgeable in that area. All I know is wireless works for me in my fairly nondescript laptop. Perhaps specific wireless implementations are hard to get Linux drivers for and this causes the problem. Drivers for Linux are always a problem. Everybody writes a driver for Windows - only a select few for Linux and enthusiasts have to write the rest.
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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jul 2012, 08:52    Post subject: I really do like Puppy!  

I don't want to be mean spirited. For what it is a free os and except for the wireless issue I think Puppy is great. I shouldn't base my opinion of the community on a couple of comments. I am usually pretty diligent about searching and that is how I found Puppy in the first place. I am going to see if I can find a different card to try. I am on line right now with puppy but wired. I do have to say Puppy is friendlier to install and use than mint especially the newer versions that take forever to install. It was just weird that the one version of mint I did get to work flawlessly wireless the repository was dead Enough of this I do like Puppy and hope to meet some nice people here and maybe get my wireless to work Cool
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 09:10    Post subject:  

I just installed Puppy this morning. I mainly use Atari (TOS), with a Windows laptop for a few odds and ends, and it's that laptop I am thinking of swapping to Puppy (at the moment it's on USB). Working with the Atari I consider myself fairly tech literate, but one thing that is confusing for a newcomer is the file system and I just can't find a really approachable tutorial that presents a clear, newbie friendly explanation of how that works - where to put stuff and things.

Coming from Atari, having HD partitions for different elements of the system make sense, but the way they are presented is very different, and I imagine for those coming from Windows it must be very confusing indeed.

Also the way non Pup applications have to be put together and installed for tarballs could also do with a little demystifying - that said the Pup system (and Quickpet) is absolutely kick-ass and I'm really and genuinely impressed with that, as one reason I've avoided Linux is the tarball confusion.

One idea might be having a tutorial program to guide new users through elements like this in same sort of way (but without the condescending attitude!) Windows does, but as well as just showing "how-to" having brief explanations as to "why" and what goes on when you perform certain actions as well as a simple "type this, click that - dont ask questions" affair.
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 14:27    Post subject:  

Thanks, grr_argh
Agree 100% about that so-important "why".
If you really want to get to grips with the filesystem, you could take a sniff at these:

http://linux.die.net/sag/dir-tree-overview.html
http://rute.2038bug.com/node38.html.gz
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 20:17    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012, 01:05    Post subject: I have no idea what I'm doing  

So my computer with Windows 7 went to shit, so I decided to try and rescue some files, wipe the hdd, then reinstall. When the reinstall failed I decided that I hated Windows and would force myself to learn to use Linux, but I have to say, I have no idea what I'm doing. I have Slacko Puppy on a USB drive, and I have no idea how to install it to the hdd without burning a disk, which I don't have. My only other USB drive has my backed up files, so I can't use that for anything either.

I searched youtube for puppy tutorials but I couldn't play the video because I didn't have flash, so I went to the flash website and downloaded a tar.gz version because someone on google said that was the one for puppy, but when it finished downloading I had no idea what to do. I searched forums forever but people kept using terms that I didn't know or referring to programs that I didn't have.

I'm still completely lost. What the fuck is bash and do I have it, or do I need to get it somehow? I'm so lost here. I can't even install the Windows 8 beta because I have to install silverlight first, and even if I did download it I wouldn't know what to do with it. How do I use this? Can you point me in the right direction? I mean, I am an ultimate linux-noob. Even getting the internet working took me about 20 minutes.

I typically read previous posts in a thread, but I don't understand most of what is being said...

Help.
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