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How to do a FULL install of Puppy, to an empty HDD
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rjbrewer


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul 2011, 19:38    Post subject:  

Ahh, I see. Trying the frugal on sda2 first.

It shoud be /dev/sda2 in the grub config window.

Use legacy grub; might make that windows partition nonsense
go away.

edit:

You would need sda2 flagged as boot in gparted.

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Sky Aisling


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul 2011, 20:08    Post subject:  

I don't mind going back and starting from scratch.
My concern is that I will ruin something by inappropriately leaving this screen (like cold cutting the machine). I don't know how to leave the screen.

Will I be able to boot the Live CD again? (In order to try again).
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul 2011, 20:17    Post subject:  

Sky Aisling wrote:
I don't mind going back and starting from scratch.
My concern is that I will ruin something by inappropriately leaving this screen (like cold cutting the machine). I don't know how to leave the screen.

Will I be able to boot the Live CD again? (In order to try again).


Booting the live cd is starting fresh;
should be able to do it a few thousand times if you don't scratch
the cd.

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Sky Aisling


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul 2011, 20:24    Post subject:  

So, how do I click out of the blue grub window?

edit - I'm writing this post from a different machine than the one I'm trying to install Puppy to.
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rjbrewer


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul 2011, 20:47    Post subject:  

Push and hold the power button till the machine turns off.
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Sky Aisling


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul 2011, 21:17    Post subject:  

Yes, that's what I need to know. Thank you.

I'm assuming there will be some sort of partition structure and boot registry there to boot a Live CD again? I haven't lost it by cold cutting the machine.

I'm hoping that the GParted work that I did will still be in effect.
If true,
I'll then use *GParted* to add a boot flag to sda1.
I'll redo CatDude's Step 5 and edit the *menu.lst* again making sure I *rename* the old list (just in case) and *save* the new edited list.
If not,
then I'll just start from scratch again. Can't Dance, too wet to plow.

(I have a feeling that when I took the *blank* option on the box *Grubconfig: Hard Drive MBR* that the menu.lst reverted back to a default list.)

Thanks rjbrewer.
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CatDude


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul 2011, 06:15    Post subject:  

Hello Sky

I am a little confused by your screenshot screenshot_GRUB1.png
That dialogue box looks different to the one i get in Puppy-431 retro
(see sequence of screenshots below)
    NOTE:
    In image grub-3.png
    i eventually entered /dev/hda8 (after i took the screenshot )
    as you can see in images grub-5.png and grub-7.png

    This is where i told you to put /dev/sda1 (in step 4)
    as i assumed you to be using the normal version of Puppy-431 with the newer kernel.



Also, why is sda1 mounted in your screenshot ?
I don't think it should be.

I also see that sdb1 mounted
i am assuming that is your flash drive, from which you copied the files in step 3.
CatDude wrote:
3. Mount /dev/sda2
and create a directory called: lupu520
Copy these files from the lupu-520.iso
    initrd.gz
    lupu_520.sfs
    vmlinuz

and put them into /dev/sda2/lupu520

Unmount /dev/sda2

After doing that, unmount & remove your flash drive as well.

Then run the GRUB Installer


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Sky Aisling


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul 2011, 08:18    Post subject:  

Good Morning CatDude,

I know we are in different time zones, so, I'm dropping this quick reply to let you know I'm reading your question in detail and will reply further as I study your words today.

The *screenshot_GRUB1.png* is a box that appeared in sequence where you saw *grub-7.png*. Instead of the box you saw, *grub-7.png*, I saw *screenshot_GRUB1.png* then a closure of the procedure after I chose a blank response.

Yes, sdb1 is the flash drive which contains the lupu-520.iso and associated files, initrd.gz,
lupu_520.sfs, vmlinuz. The lupu-520.iso and associated files are resident on the flash drive.
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Sky Aisling


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul 2011, 13:26    Post subject:  

[Situation Solved]
Successful Install Smile

My error was in not *saving* the changed *menu.lst* when using the *Geany* text editor provided during the *Grub bootloader configuration*.

Note to readers just stepping into this thread: please read the special circumstances of the disc used to create this install. See my post of Thu 30 Jun 2011, 02:56
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29653&start=195&sid=97e90343c0a2709d78777118556fece4

After I recouped from the error 15 page:

I followed exactly CatDude's suggestion on page:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29653&start=195.
(I did not need to repeat Step 2 or Step 3 as they had stayed in place even after a 'cold cut' of the machine.)

FYI - Here is the machine and Puppy OS configuration:
Machine:
Fujitsu Lifebook Pseries 256 RAM, 20 GIGS HDD, transmeta(tm) Crueso(tm) Processor TM5800 (painfully slow)
Puppy OS:
lupu-520

Thank you CatDude, once again. You are the best.
Thank you rjbrewer for getting me out of the error 15 hang up.

Edit: Update - Comparison of FULL and FRUGAL Installs on the Fujitsu Lifebook Pseries 256 RAM, 20 GIGS HDD, transmeta(tm) Crueso(tm) Processor TM5800

The *frugal* install grinds along at a miserable pace.
The *full* install moves much quicker. The *full* install doesn't exactly blaze around the machine but it definitely runs quicker than the *frugal*.

*Opera-10.63-Lucid* browser works best with lupu-520 in this situation. Opera appears to be a quick, clean browser, nice!

I am so glad I was shown how to install both the *frugal* and the *full* on the same machine giving me the opportunity to compare the two installs.
This is most helpful for further installs.

Edit: *Full* Install is not without it's perils. See discussion concerning effects on *full* install when *uninstalling* applications:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57010
Note rjbrewer's posts.
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carldhickman

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 10:09    Post subject:  

Great post...solved all my problems and sorted out all the different questions i had...just need to get the GRUB to auto-boot to puppy now
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CatDude


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 11:21    Post subject:  

Hello carldhickman

Welcome to the kennels

carldhickman wrote:
Great post...solved all my problems and sorted out all the different questions i had

Glad you found it useful mate.

carldhickman wrote:
...just need to get the GRUB to auto-boot to puppy now

Could you post the contents of your menu.lst file,
we may then be able to help you with that too.

CatDude
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carldhickman

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 04:57    Post subject:  

Hiya...thanks...Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 FULL install on Thinkpad T43 (now it's back from the dead thanks...) GRUB menu:

# GRUB configuration file '/boot/grub/menu.lst'.
# generated by 'grubconfig'. Sat Aug 4 14:37:53 2012
#
# The backup copy of the MBR for drive '/dev/sda' is
# here '/boot/grub/mbr.sda.24058'. You can restore it like this.
# dd if=/boot/grub/mbr.sda.24058 of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
#
# Start GRUB global section
#timeout 0
color light-gray/blue black/light-gray
# End GRUB global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
title Linux (on /dev/sda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=normal
# Linux bootable partition config ends
title Install GRUB to floppy disk (on /dev/fd0)
pause Insert a formatted floppy disk and press enter.
root (hd0,0)
setup (fd0)
pause Press enter to continue.
title Install GRUB to Linux partition (on /dev/sda1)
root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0,0)
pause Press enter to continue.
title - For help press 'c', then type: 'help'
root (hd0)
title - For usage examples, type: 'cat /boot/grub/usage.txt'
root (hd0)

Sits there at boot up waiting for me to select...like it to boot automatically.

Puppy on this laptop, Ubuntu on other laptop...is this the end for Windows...50:50 split in OS...
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CatDude


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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 05:11    Post subject:  

Hello carldhickman

Change your "global section"
from this:
Code:
# Start GRUB global section
#timeout 0
color light-gray/blue black/light-gray
# End GRUB global section


to this:
Code:
# Start GRUB global section
timeout 0
default 0
color light-gray/blue black/light-gray
# End GRUB global section


That should do it. Smile

CatDude
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carldhickman

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 05:53    Post subject:  

Awesome CatDude...worked a treat...now my resurrected old laptop lives again. You guys ever sleep?
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CatDude


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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 06:01    Post subject:  

Hi

carldhickman wrote:
Awesome CatDude...worked a treat..

Cool That's what we like to hear.

carldhickman wrote:
You guys ever sleep?

Not a lot Laughing

CatDude
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