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nitehawk

Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 487 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Sun 12 Aug 2012, 18:22 Post subject:
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I tried using Mageia 2 for awhile. It's really nice, easy to set up dialup,..great artwork,..lots of software on the DVD. But I guess I'm just a little too spoiled to Slackware XFCE/Fluxbox,...and Puppy.
Slackware with its "K.I.S.S" philosophy,...and Puppy with so much crammed into such a small space. So as nice as Mageia is,....I just find myself using Puppies more and more (when I'm not Slacking).
EDIT: my main P4 is down right now,..waiting for another MOBO coming via snail-mail. Has those famous "bulging capacitors" that Dell Optiplex GX270's are noted to develop.
It's happily running a 40G hd right now with Racy Puppy....until I get the new MOBO and put it in (then I can return to the 160G hd). It will still have a Puppy on it, though.
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sullysat

Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Sun 12 Aug 2012, 21:56 Post subject:
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| Ray MK wrote: | Hi
My daughter bought me a copy of Linux User & Developer recently (issue 115) and on the cover was a dvd containing some Demo's - of the 4 that were available only 2 booted.
Mint 13 and Fedora 17. Very pleasantly surprised - especially with Fedora 17.
Very intuitive - although not much software included. Basically, very nice to use and very easy to setup (wifi etc).
An excellent example of what a noob linux user would probably wish/want for, to start using linux - full time.
Sadly, a fairly modern-ish laptop / desktop / or other contraption with a gig or 2 of ram minimum, is almost certainly needed.
On my daughter's 1yr old Emachines E732 laptop with 2gig of ram - it flies.
Still - so far - at least for me - nothing beats Puppy.
Very best regards - Ray |
As much as I love Puppy, my main machines (which I run my business with) are all three Fedora boxes (16 and 17). One gig of ram is all they need to really fly, but I have one machine running 512 MB and it runs well there too.
The biggest issue, really, is the Windows manager. Gnome 3 requires a 3D capable video card, so I run XFCE on the 512 box and it flies too.
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Ray MK

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 678 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun 12 Aug 2012, 22:23 Post subject:
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Hi sullysat
That's good to know - so Fedora 16/17 with XFCE might be a reasonable choice for my EeePc 701SD which has 512mb ram and a celeron proc.
I must say I was very surprised at how usable Fedora 17 was.
I shall have a look and see if there is an XFCE version.
Thank's for the info and very best regards - Ray
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1225
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Posted: Mon 13 Aug 2012, 04:12 Post subject:
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| nitehawk wrote: | I tried using Mageia 2 for awhile. It's really nice, easy to set up dialup,..great artwork,..lots of software on the DVD. But I guess I'm just a little too spoiled to Slackware XFCE/Fluxbox,...and Puppy.
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Yeah, I've seen good things said about Mageia. The trouble is that whenever I've tried to install any Red Hat-based distro to my hard drive, I've ended up with those ridiculous LVM's scattered all over the drive and it's trashed what was on there before. I think you either need to know what you're doing when you install it or install it to a clean hard drive.
| nitehawk wrote: | | Slackware with its "K.I.S.S" philosophy,...and Puppy with so much crammed into such a small space. So as nice as Mageia is,....I just find myself using Puppies more and more (when I'm not Slacking). |
Agreed, the two problems I have with Slack-based distros as opposed to Debian-based ones are; 1/ package management isn't as good as it is for Debian-based ones, because there isn't the same dedication to dependency tracking, and 2 / hot plugging doesn't seem to work as well as it does for Ubuntu, Solus, Mint etc.
There are ways round both of those problems - you can use the Slack builds for package management, and mount USB drives manually and the same with DVDs if you know what the driver for them is in the /dev subdirectory, but I'd rather they weren't necessary.
I find I'm using the bigger Puppies now (the ones I struggled to run on my old Compaq, with its 512 MB of RAM, work just fine in 2 GB) and also the 64-bit ones.
| nitehawk wrote: | | EDIT: my main P4 is down right now,..waiting for another MOBO coming via snail-mail. Has those famous "bulging capacitors" that Dell Optiplex GX270's are noted to develop. |
Oh boy, I've got a GX620; hope it doesn't develop the same fault as your Dell Hope your new motherboard arrives soon.
| nitehawk wrote: | | It's happily running a 40G hd right now with Racy Puppy....until I get the new MOBO and put it in (then I can return to the 160G hd). It will still have a Puppy on it, though. |
Great! Racy (and Wary to which it's related) are good Puppies IMO.
Best wishes,
CP .
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1225
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Posted: Mon 13 Aug 2012, 04:29 Post subject:
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| Ray MK wrote: | Colonel Panic
Thanks for the tip - I'll have a look as IceWM is light enough - although I prefer XFCE (LXDE is ok too).
Have you tried the XFCE and LXDE versions of slacko, racy and wary that Jely69 made.
They are all very good.
And - Jemimah's Saluki - is outstanding.
The DVD that had the Fedora demo also has a Distro Directory - and they have provided a link to our Puppy websites.
Thanks again - very best regards - Ray |
Hi Ray, thanks for the advice here. I tried Saluki on my old machine but couldn't get Flash to work (as I mentioned on the Saluki thread); it may be different with the new machine though. Thanks for the advice concerning Jely69's derivatives too, but my next Puppy will probably be one of the big ones; either 64-bit Lighthouse or the Toowoomba Ultimate Pup.
Best,
CP .
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linuxbear
Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 439 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
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Posted: Mon 13 Aug 2012, 15:20 Post subject:
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I am not too sure about LVMs, but I have found that if you install a full distro to a conventional hard drive, it will boot much faster if there is a boot partition and a separate "/" partition.
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nitehawk

Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 487 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Mon 13 Aug 2012, 19:31 Post subject:
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| Colonel Panic wrote: |
Oh boy, I've got a GX620; hope it doesn't develop the same fault as your Dell Hope your new motherboard arrives soon.
Great! Racy (and Wary to which it's related) are good Puppies IMO.
CP . |
Nooooooooo,...don't worry about your GX620!! (wish I had one of those)
The bad capacitors only came on the GX270 and the GX280 ones. Dell quit using those cheap crappy caps when they saw what was happening (all those returns and complaints). I got the Dell as a gift from my brother, (so it has sentimental value) or I would have just dumped it, and tried to get something else. 4 capacitors started not only bulging, but leaking.
MOBO came today,..and I got right on it. It's a brand-new GX270 mobo, with the bigger caps replaced with better ones. Computer all fixed and running great (still wish it was a GX620).....
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1225
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Posted: Tue 14 Aug 2012, 06:00 Post subject:
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| nitehawk wrote: | Nooooooooo,...don't worry about your GX620!! (wish I had one of those)
The bad capacitors only came on the GX270 and the GX280 ones. Dell quit using those cheap crappy caps when they saw what was happening (all those returns and complaints). I got the Dell as a gift from my brother, (so it has sentimental value) or I would have just dumped it, and tried to get something else. 4 capacitors started not only bulging, but leaking... |
Thanks for that I had to pay for my machine though (£60, or about $100). Good value though.
| nitehawk wrote: | | MOBO came today,..and I got right on it. It's a brand-new GX270 mobo, with the bigger caps replaced with better ones. Computer all fixed and running great (still wish it was a GX620)..... |
Awwww! just keep an eye open and maybe you'll see one going cheap, as mine was.
Have to admit I don't much like the look of it though. It doesn't matter that much because I've got my monitor on top of a 2" tall box which is in turn resting on top of it so I'm not really looking at it.
But since when did black become the default colour for everything to do with computers? I know a lot of people find beige boring but it at least fits in with my lounge decor, which black doesn't. Rant over
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Billtoo
Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Posts: 1497 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Tue 14 Aug 2012, 13:16 Post subject:
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I downloaded,burned,installed,and updated Slackware 14 RC1
It's a lot of downloading but worth it I think.
I prefer xfce4 but it also has 4 or 5 other window managers.
Great screensavers too
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nitehawk

Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 487 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Tue 14 Aug 2012, 19:07 Post subject:
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Hmmm,..
Slackware 14 does look nice, don't it? With that panel at the bottom,..it sort of resembles VectorLinux 7 Standard.
I just now got re-interested in just basic, plain ol' vanilla stable Debian again. I just now put it back on my main computer. I wanted to get back into a small home business selling on Ebay (and other online auction sites)...so can't think of anything better to use than good ol' stable Deb.
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Colonel Panic

Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 1225
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Posted: Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:54 Post subject:
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| nitehawk wrote: | Hmmm,..
Slackware 14 does look nice, don't it? With that panel at the bottom,..it sort of resembles VectorLinux 7 Standard.
I just now got re-interested in just basic, plain ol' vanilla stable Debian again. I just now put it back on my main computer. I wanted to get back into a small home business selling on Ebay (and other online auction sites)...so can't think of anything better to use than good ol' stable Deb. |
Good luck with that
Debian works great IMO but I don't like having to ask its permission to do anything; recently it wouldn't even let me copy files to my hard drive from a DVD I'd mounted, which is ludicrous IMO. Its developers seem to be stuck in a 1970s timewarp in which all systems were multiuser and everyone using a Debian installation had to be protected at all times from everyone else using the same one.
I might try Slack 14 again (which is now up to RC2). For now though, the exciting news on the horizon is that Frugalware 1.7 is due to be released next week. Frugalware is a Hungarian distro which has a lot of common with Arch, but comes as a set of DVDs like Debian does.
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sullysat

Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Thu 16 Aug 2012, 23:18 Post subject:
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| Ray MK wrote: | Hi sullysat
That's good to know - so Fedora 16/17 with XFCE might be a reasonable choice for my EeePc 701SD which has 512mb ram and a celeron proc.
I must say I was very surprised at how usable Fedora 17 was.
I shall have a look and see if there is an XFCE version.
Thank's for the info and very best regards - Ray |
Hi Ray,
You could try Fedora on the eeepc, but it may be a little much for the built in sd card.
I have one of the original 700 series eeepc's and I use easypeasy on it, but I pretty much just use that machine for browsing and videos nowdays.
I love it though. Great for when I'm travelling!
I'll be interested to know how Fedora works for you on that system. You might also try the lxde spin as it's even lighter than xfce.
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Ray MK

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 678 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri 17 Aug 2012, 07:18 Post subject:
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Hi sullysat
Have downloaded both xfce and lxde fedora-17 spins.
As I don't have an external cd/dvd device, I was undecided about the best method of installation.
I think the fedora's iso's are hybrid and therefore lend themselves to booting from the iso direct
Was reading about file systems, ie format etc for the SDcard, some say vfat and others suggest ext2,3,4.
Then there was the little brain-strain about what bootmanager to use. Syslinux, grub4dos, grub2 or ?
Maybe I should just burn a cd/dvd on a normal laptop and use that to install to USB or SDcard.
Any pointers and/or suggestions are warmly welcomed.
Thanks again - I will let you know how it goes - very best regards - Ray
_________________ Acer 243LC laptop. 384mb ram. 2.5Ghz Celeron proc. 30gb hdd. pcmcia Wifi card. Asus 701SD. 512mb ram. 8gb SSD. IBM A21m laptop. 192mb ram. PIII Coppermine proc. E732 laptop, 2Gb ram, i3 proc.
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gcmartin
Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 2640 Location: Earth
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Posted: Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:32 Post subject:
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| Ray MK wrote: | | ... Maybe I should ... Any pointers and/or suggestions are warmly welcomed. ... | Hi @Ray MK
One solution that may be helpful is to use JamesBond's Netboot subsystem. His solution will provide booting service to any PC plugged into your LAN without the need to first install something on the booting PC. The booting PC does NOT need ANY media and the local USB/HDD/DVD/CD is not needed for the PC to boot assuming that your PC's bios allows the PC to boot using its LAN adapter.
Its easy, and its fast and the subsystem can be setup on either 32bit or 64bit PUPs. Generous help is available on that thread and many have tried it. Again, nothing is installed/needed on the booting PC (just tell the booting PC to use its Network adapter to boot).
Hope it helps
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nitehawk

Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 487 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Sun 19 Aug 2012, 14:38 Post subject:
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| Colonel Panic wrote: |
Debian works great IMO but I don't like having to ask its permission to do anything; recently it wouldn't even let me copy files to my hard drive from a DVD I'd mounted, which is ludicrous IMO. Its developers seem to be stuck in a 1970s timewarp in which all systems were multiuser and everyone using a Debian installation had to be protected at all times from everyone else using the same one.
I might try Slack 14 again (which is now up to RC2). For now though, the exciting news on the horizon is that Frugalware 1.7 is due to be released next week. Frugalware is a Hungarian distro which has a lot of common with Arch, but comes as a set of DVDs like Debian does. |
...well,..
I abandoned the Debian idea, myself. After I got it all installed, I remembered that I totally hated having to get 8 DVDs in the first place (I'm still on dialup, ya know). I promised myself I will NOT ever be buying an 8-DVD distro ever again!
Frugalware does sound intersting....but like HOW many DVDs does it come on? Puppy and Vector seem to have so much crammed into just one CD,...that buying multiple DVDs don't seem to make sense to me anymore. Even Slackware only comes on one DVD (and I find that some of the apps on the Vector CD will work on it,..as well as the Salix online repository's Wine app, etc. etc.).
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