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Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 14:01    Post subject:  

Full installs to 700m notebook and MSI netbook.
Runs very well on both.
As usual; slow or fast glxgears numbers are quite
meaningless in actual use.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 14:54    Post subject:  

Yep tested on 32 &64 bit, wired & wireless, ATI&nV - even works on SiS graphics as Bill (&me) discovered. It's pointless running this masterpiece on anything more recent than a couple of years old as there's no advantage.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 15:13    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta4 (no-pae), August 29, 2012
Subject description: umount
 

Left click on the little red X of the desktop icon does NOT umount but open new rox

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Billtoo


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Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 16:25    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta4 (no-pae), August 29, 2012
Subject description: hardware acceleration
 

I did a few tests:

hardinfo report precise beta 4:

OpenGL
Vendor VMware, Inc.
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
Version 3.0 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes

hardinfo report slackware 14.0 rc3:

OpenGL
Vendor X.Org R300 Project
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV530
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4
Direct Rendering Yes

---------------------------------------------

Hardware acceleration works on this pc in slackware 14rc3
but not in precise beta 4
Hardware acceleration with this graphics card has worked in lucid puppy using
the xorghigh driver, I'm pretty sure it was this agp version of the
ati x1600 pro card, but I also have the pciE version of the ati x1600 pro

I found an old lupu disk on the shelf and booted it up on this pc, I
installed an Xorg_High-1.1-Lucid.pet that I have stored on a flash
drive.
Hardware acceleration is working, hardinfo report shows:

OpenGL
Vendor DRI R300 Project
Renderer Mesa DRI R300 (RV530 71C2) 20090101 AGP 4x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 TCL
Version 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1
Direct Rendering Yes

I guess it's not important for most applications but google earth and
some games won't run without hardware acceleration working.

An updated version of the Xorg_High-1.1-Lucid.pet would be great for
ati and intel graphics users.

I volunteer 01micko for the job Smile
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 18:29    Post subject:  

Precise puppy version 5.2.72 (beta4). Same as 5.2.71, except PAE-enabled kernel and KMS-enabled Radeon.

Announcement here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02975

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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 19:24    Post subject:  

Beta 4 pae working well with my radeon cedar card.

Again, glxgears must be telling lies as the performance is very good with gaming.

Thanks
Code:

# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.72 on Thu 30 Aug 2012

Chip description:
 0.0 VGA compatible controller
 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450] 
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: CEDAR 01.00
 
X Server: Xorg
Driver used: radeon

X.Org version: 1.11.3
  dimensions:    1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    16 planes

   ...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#  glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
298 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.470 FPS
299 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.792 FPS
299 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.790 FPS
299 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.790 FPS
#


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EDIT:
There is a bug in report-video if xorgwizard is used to generate xorg.conf. In the case of radeon. On probing, fbdev and vesa are inserted in the xorg.conf as fallbacks I presume. When studying the /var/log/Xorg.0.log it is clear that radeon is loaded and working correctly. I used xorgwizard to get 24bit colour depth as the auto config was 16 (see above). Here is the out put of report-video:
Code:
# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.72 on Thu 30 Aug 2012

Chip description:
 0.0 VGA compatible controller
 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450] 
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS)
product: CEDAR 01.00
 
X Server: Xorg
Driver used: vesa

X.Org version: 1.11.3
  dimensions:    1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    24 planes

   ...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz


Here is the offending line in report-video; (@line 69)
Code:
# grep '^.*Driver ' /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -iv '^#\|mouse\|kbd\|synaptics'
   ### Available Driver options are:-
   Driver      "radeon" #card0driver
   ### Available Driver options are:-
   Driver      "fbdev"
   ### Available Driver options are:-
   Driver      "vesa"
...piped to tail -1 which gives the vesa result. Perhaps we should go back to the old method of scanning for #card0driver if a full xorg.conf is present.

xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log attched
Xorg.0.log.gz
Description 
gz

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Filename  Xorg.0.log.gz 
Filesize  7.05 KB 
Downloaded  242 Time(s) 
xorg.conf.gz
Description 
gz

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Filename  xorg.conf.gz 
Filesize  2.42 KB 
Downloaded  226 Time(s) 

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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 21:41    Post subject:  

@Barry. Posted a video concern on your blog.
Here to help

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Billtoo


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Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Wed 29 Aug 2012, 22:21    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta4-pae, August 30, 2012
Subject description: two ati cards tested.
 

Computer 1:

Manual frugal install to a 4gb flash drive.

Before installing proprietary ati driver:

# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.72 on Wed 29 Aug 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Redwood PRO [Radeon HD 5500 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: REDWOOD 01.00

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: radeon

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

Computer
Processor 2x Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Memory 4147MB (103MB used)
Operating System Unknown distribution
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Wed 29 Aug 2012 08:16:53 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation

OpenGL
Vendor X.Org
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
305 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.834 FPS
304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.732 FPS
304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.733 FPS

Hardware acceleration is working.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

After installing the ati proprietary driver.

OpenGL
Vendor Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Renderer ATI Radeon HD 5570
Version 4.2.11762 Compatibility Profile Context
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
34148 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6829.491 FPS
34444 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6888.692 FPS
34354 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6870.741 FPS

Hardware acceleration works with or without the proprietary ati driver
installed on this newer ati graphics card.

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Computer 2:

Manual frugal install to hard drive.

Precise Puppy, version 5.2.72 on Wed 29 Aug 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV530 [Radeon X1600]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RV530 01.00

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: radeon

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

Computer
Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3300+
Memory 1554MB (103MB used)
Operating System Unknown distribution
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Wed 29 Aug 2012 08:51:49 PM EDT

OpenGL
Vendor VMware, Inc.
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
Version 3.0 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
205 frames in 5.0 seconds = 40.875 FPS
206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 41.102 FPS
203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 40.443 FPS

Hardware acceleration isn't working and since it's a legacy card there
is no proprietary driver to install.
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 02:10    Post subject:  

Dell desktop
Pentium 4 processor
Nvidia nv37gl Quadro video card
precise5271-nopae frugal

Boots to desktop
Some desktop program icons missing or half visible
no items visible in menus
Some program icons in taskbar, but not all
The icons/entry's that should be showing in menu and taskbar. You can put mouse pointer at the location where they should be and left click will run the program that should have an icon/entry at that location.

Seems to be using Nouveau graphic driver.
Will not get to desktop if you select Vesa driver with Xorgwizard.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 03:41    Post subject:  

Here is the third variant of beta4:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02976

Guys, I don't want to fatigue you with all these pups to test!

This third one is probably my preferred choice, as it uses Ubuntu 'mesa' DEBs rather than my PET. it runs fine on my laptop, but that is all I have to test on.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 03:46    Post subject:  

Note to testers:

System -> Report video graphics information

...in the menu, if you need to see some settings.

Detailed Xorg start log:

/var/log/Xorg.0.log

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 03:49    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Dell desktop
Pentium 4 processor
Nvidia nv37gl Quadro video card
precise5271-nopae frugal

Boots to desktop
Some desktop program icons missing or half visible
no items visible in menus
Some program icons in taskbar, but not all
The icons/entry's that should be showing in menu and taskbar. You can put mouse pointer at the location where they should be and left click will run the program that should have an icon/entry at that location.

Seems to be using Nouveau graphic driver.
Will not get to desktop if you select Vesa driver with Xorgwizard.


I wonder if it makes any difference choosing 24-bit rather than 16-bit color depth. Earlier JWM versions have had a problem in this area, I think the main trouble was with 16-bit.

Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, change the "16" in two places to "24".

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 03:52    Post subject: Re: Precise Puppy beta4 (no-pae), August 29, 2012
Subject description: umount
 

L18L wrote:
Left click on the little red X of the desktop icon does NOT umount but open new rox

False alert
Now with PUPMODE=12 umount is working
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LateAdopter

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Location: Reading UK

PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 05:11    Post subject:  

Hello BarryK

Success!

Precise-5.2.72

With my AthlonII x2 plus RS880G integrated graphics the Radeon r600g driver loads correctly.

From Xorg.0.log

[ 224.558] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
[ 224.558] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.

[ 224.719] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled

[ 224.729] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized r600
[ 224.729] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0

So both 2D and 3D acceleration are working using the r600g driver. No LLVM or swrast!


From Hardinfo:

-OpenGL-
Vendor : X.Org
Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
Version : 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering : Yes


From glxgears:

ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment
3891 frames in 5.0 seconds - 778.194 FPS



Couple of omissions on first look:

Power management frequency scaling was not working and the Frequency Scaling tool did not contain anything useful.

I did:

Code:
modprobe powernow_k8


Then frequency scaling was working and I could set ONDEMAND in the frequency scaling tool.


The mystery of Puppy timezones continues... There is no: zulu, UTC or gmt that I could find. I normally set zulu, because my PC clock is always set to gmt and that is what I want the time to display.

Thank you for this puppy
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Aug 2012, 05:23    Post subject:  

Hello 01micko

if you do:

Code:
export vblank_mode=0
glxgears

Then glxgears does not run synchronised to the display and you get a proper number
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