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Slacko 5.4 - FINAL 2 Dec 2012
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01micko


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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 19:12    Post_subject:  
What version of grub4dos config is Precise using? (haven't time to boot into it ATM)

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Slacko 533 works correctly, as does the latest Precise.

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 19:23    Post_subject:  
01micko wrote:
What version of grub4dos config is Precise using? (haven't time to boot into it ATM)

I'm booting with legacy GRUB. I don't think that this is a GRUB issue. The vmlinuz and initrd.gz files are found OK by GRUB.

It feels more like a bug in the search logic of the init. Or one of those weird timing issues.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 19:49    Post_subject: booting issue  
@rcrsn51, 01micko
I cannot reproduce your issue. Relating hardware?
Code:
title Puppy slacko 5.3.5.3 (sdc2)
  uuid df28a7f3-8257-42f2-b555-864fe0a6a64b
  kernel /vmlinuz  pmedia=atahd  pfix=fsck
  initrd /initrd.gz

I am now posting from this boot.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 19:55    Post_subject: finding sfs  
rcrsn51 wrote:
At what stage would this bug have sneaked in?

I remember old persisting bug in finding the main sfs.
It may occur when you have multiple puppy_slacko_5.3.5.3.sfs in your PC...

the release note of the Puppy 431JP (2009) says:
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Differences from original version
2. Some reading rules of the main SFS file and additional SFS file are different from the original 4.3.1.
- When two or more main SFS files exist in PC, and which SFS file might likely to be adopted, it to be different in a Japanese version and an original version.

I do not surely remember, but we found some bug in the original and we modified the initrd to fix it.

The logic in the recent woof is not the same of that time, but can remain some faults yet.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:34    Post_subject: 5.3.5.3  
UMplayer:

I found that a previous umplayer works properly (except for no menu entry) in 5.3.5.3

avplayersj2-slacko-i686.sfs

Everything works in this player but... you have to go to usr/local/bin/umplayer and drag it onto your desktop then give it an icon (use 'pfind file finder' to locate umplayer, it will list several icons in .png format, I used a 32x32 and it looks good.)

Hope this helps until someone can get the thumbnail graphics working in Mic's new version!

On further testing of 5.3.5.3 I find it to be a distro with a lot of potential for both new and seasoned users, googleearth is still extremely fast and the best I've used to date.

If pwidgets isn't going to be maintained, maybe we could get a new 'conky' with all the goodies in the PPM?

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:40    Post_subject: Re: finding sfs  
shinobar wrote:
I remember old persisting bug in finding the main sfs.
It may occur when you have multiple puppy_slacko_5.3.5.3.sfs in your PC...

It's not that. But I moved the sfs file to the root of a different partition than the boot partition and it WORKED!

I will have to set up some other machines to test this more.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:45    Post_subject: Re: booting issue  
@rcrsn51, 01micko
Don't you have another full installed slacko in the same PC?
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:49    Post_subject:  
Does using the UUID help?

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blkid /dev/sda8 #replace drive id to suit

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:50    Post_subject: Re: booting issue  
shinobar wrote:
@rcrsn51, 01micko
Don't you have another full installed slacko in the same PC?


Mines an old spup, that I keep updating
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:54    Post_subject:  
01micko wrote:
Does using the UUID help?

Legacy GRUB doesn't use UUID's.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 20:57    Post_subject: Re: booting issue  
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@rcrsn51, 01micko
Don't you have another full installed slacko in the same PC?

No. I have a frugal install of 533 in another partition. But deleting it didn't change anything.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 21:14    Post_subject: Re: booting issue  
@rcrsn51, 01micko
I have made some tests.
Code:
title Puppy slacko 5.3.5.3 (sdc2)
  uuid df28a7f3-8257-42f2-b555-864fe0a6a64b
  kernel /vmlinuz  pmedia=atahd  pfix=fsck
  initrd /initrd.gz

And i made another frugal install on sda3/slacko-pae.
In this case, booted off from the sdc2 but the puppy took the sfs from sda3/slacko-pae.

Next, i removed the main sfs from sda3/slacko-pae but left the vmlinuz and initrd.gz there.
That is, there are two vmlinuz, sdc2 and sda3/slacko-pae, but the sfs is only at sdc2.
In this case, same booting off from the sdc2, the puppy maybe found the vmlinuz at sda3/slacko-pae, but failed to find the sfs.
I got 'puppy_slacko-5.3.5.3.sfs not found!'.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 21:21    Post_subject: Re: booting issue  
shinobar wrote:
Next, i removed the main sfs from sda3/slacko-pae but left the vmlinuz and initrd.gz there. That is, there are two vmlinuz, sdc2 and sda3/slacko-pae, but the sfs is only at sdc2.In this case, same booting off from the sdc2, the puppy maybe found the vmlinuz at sda3/slacko-pae, but failed to find the sfs.I got 'puppy_slacko-5.3.5.3.sfs not found!'.

Exactly! I just found the same thing in my setup. I routinely have subfolders with backup copies of vmlinuz and initrd.gz. Their presence is keeping 5353 from finding its sfs file. If I delete them so the only copies are at the root, it works.

But this is the only Puppy I have ever seen that works this way. Even the latest Precise doesn't care about the extra copies.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 22:02    Post_subject: Re: booting issue  
rcrsn51 wrote:
shinobar wrote:
Next, i removed the main sfs from sda3/slacko-pae but left the vmlinuz and initrd.gz there. That is, there are two vmlinuz, sdc2 and sda3/slacko-pae, but the sfs is only at sdc2.In this case, same booting off from the sdc2, the puppy maybe found the vmlinuz at sda3/slacko-pae, but failed to find the sfs.I got 'puppy_slacko-5.3.5.3.sfs not found!'.

Exactly! I just found the same thing in my setup. I routinely have subfolders with backup copies of vmlinuz and initrd.gz. Their presence is keeping 5353 from finding its sfs file. If I delete them so the only copies are at the root, it works.

But this is the only Puppy I have ever seen that works this way. Even the latest Precise doesn't care about the extra copies.

It occurs when you have a copy of the vmlinuz in a subfolder sdxn/foo/vmlinz, where x is the drive number and n as the partition number, and only if the sdxn is earlier than the one of the booting partition. I am not sure it occurs or not even if you specify the 'psubdir'.

For example, suppose a full install on sda3, which has sda3/boot/vmlinuz but no main sfs.
No problem with another frugal install on sda2. But a frugal install on sda5 will fail.

The bug is in the function 'search_func' in the initrd introduced on 2011-04-25 and persists still now. I don't know about the older woof.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2012, 22:11    Post_subject:  
I stand corrected about Slacko 533 - it has the same bug. If the three core files are at the root and the first two files are also in a subfolder, it fails.

But if you move everything one level deeper, it works, ie. the three core files are in a subfolder and the backups are in a sub-sub-folder. But in that case, there would be a psubdir argument.

I'm guessing that the search logic goes like this:

If no psubdir argument is used, start looking in subfolders FIRST.

If you find vmlinuz and initrd.gz in a subfolder, then expect to find the sfs file there too. If it's not, quit with an error.

If you can't find the two files in any subfolders, then go back to the root and look there next.

Maybe there are other Puppies that work this way, I just never had that particular setup.
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