Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012

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#661 Post by `f00 »

1st look precise 5.3.95 (beta7, pae)

Looks like it is as simple as "puppy radeon.modeset=0" after a few false starts. Initial 800x600x16 was okay (but cramped), edited xorg.conf for 1024x768x24 and it's the same shifted left 20-30pixels and a bit wide (so I did the same modeline fix as for racy 5.3)..

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
9.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

..some nice touches for a standard default setup (and easily changed, mostly). Small dinks like two ffconvert in the rox openwith (one capped, other not) and the 'traditional' optical drive in the 2nd floppy tab as well as the usb stick in the optical tab in pmount tabview (it got the hdds in the correct tab). Maybe have pmount start in single window view ;). Very pleased to see a few of my favorites as standard in precise (htop and sfs-load on-the-fly).

Only niggle is it seems I'll have to do the bootcode "puppy radeon.modeset=0" manually on every boot :| unless there's an easy way to automate it on liveCD multisession.
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test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

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#662 Post by James C »

5.3.95 on my old Windows 7/PCLOS/Puppy box......... booted straight to the correct 1440x900 resolution with working sound. Did need to use SNS for the internet connection
# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
#

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
#
-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 1034MB (201MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Sep 2012 01:44:48 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1440x900 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : Unknown
Renderer : Unknown
Version : Unknown
Direct Rendering : No

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#663 Post by James C »

5.3.95.1 on the same box as above post. Once again booted directly to correct resolution with working sound but this time the internet was connected on boot.

Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nv

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
156 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.002 FPS
154 frames in 5.0 seconds = 30.797 FPS
153 frames in 5.0 seconds = 30.480 FPS
146 frames in 5.0 seconds = 29.103 FPS
157 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.292 FPS

-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1440x900 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : VMware, Inc.
Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
Version : 3.0 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering : Yes

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#664 Post by Sage »

Several black-screen events with pae version - not with expected 'problem' systems. Looking at suggested work-arounds. Presently running the non-pae version through a dozen or so machines. Too many systems to report every nuance as Bill & James are doing an excellent job in that respect; will await an RC or Gold.

DHCP doesn't seem to be switched on by default any longer, although Flash is now installed by default, at least for SM - good move.
None of the four ATI drivers in 'Probe' function with my Radeon9200.

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Precise Puppy beta7, Sept. 23, 2012

#665 Post by Billtoo »

I did a manual frugal install to a 4gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3-Sun23Sep2012 on PrecisePuppy5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2)
0.0 VGA compatible controller:NVIDIA Corporation G98[GeForce 9300 GE](rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP77 Board - mcp78pvo Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nvidia

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Computer
Processor 2x Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e
Memory 2853MB (179MB used)
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce 9200/integrated/SSE2/3DNOW!
Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.75
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
7190 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1437.814 FPS
7204 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1440.646 FPS
7174 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1434.749 FPS

Network controller Ralink corp. RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe

Precise 5.3.95.1 nopae is working well on this 3 year old pc.

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Precise Puppy beta7, Sept. 23, 2012

#666 Post by Billtoo »

I moved my 4gb flash drive over to my acer laptop and booted it to
ram, did to usual stuff and rebooted creating a 2nd save file on the
flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 -Sun 23 Sep 2012 on PrecisePuppy5.3.95.1-Linux3.2.30-nopaei686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Manhattan
[Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: PARK 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver used: fglrx

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 430 @ 2.27GHz
Memory 3103MB (175MB used)
OpenGL
Vendor Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Renderer ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series
Version 4.2.11762 Compatibility Profile Context
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
28678 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5735.422 FPS
29030 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5805.986 FPS
29048 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5809.452 FPS

Network controller Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter
(PCI-Express) (rev 01)

Precise 5.3.95.1 nopae is working well on this newer acer laptop.
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#667 Post by stu91 »

Hello,
While the auto config will use Radeon - I am still unable to manually select the Radeon driver in Xorgwizard.

Laptop graphics: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
oem: ATI Radeon® Xpress 1150

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noPAE Radeon Modesetting

#668 Post by LateAdopter »

Hello BarryK

I have tried the noPAE kernel, but I don't think it's the right permutation of Radeon KMS.

I think what is needed is a non-PAE kernel with KMS configured exactly the same as the PAE kernel, but with modeset=0 in radeon.conf

Then KMS can be enabled from the menu.lst entry or by editing radeon.conf, for those who want it.

If I enable KMS with this noPaE kernel, I get a fatal version mismatch error in the Xorg log. But this time it does exit to a prompt, so I can poweroff.

With the PAE kernel, if I put modeset=0 in radeon.conf, it works properly with either Radeon or VESA drivers.


A separate request:

If you do compile another kernel for Precise Puppy, could you add CPUID and MSR kernel modules to your .config, please?

CPUID and MSR are present in Lucid Puppy and Ubuntu Precise but they are missing from Precise Puppy.

I did investigate whether I could compile them myself, but it seems that make is defective. It won't compile an in-tree module, that is not in the kernel .config, the way it compiles an out-of-tree module, so I ended up with a module that modprobe can't load.

Thanks

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Neo magic

#669 Post by peebee »

Just tried Precise Beta 7 nopae on my ancient, memory challenged IBM Thinkpad - and IT WORKED!!

This is first "modern" puppy I can recall for some time that has managed to boot straight to desktop using the Neomagic driver.

Found and used the pcmcia wifi card OK as well. Seamonkey web surfing worked.

Bit slow - but with only 160MB of ram and a swap partition I guess there was quite a bit of disk thrashing going on.

Pretty amazing!!
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beta 7 no-pae and nvidia

#670 Post by drblock2 »

Yes, it works right out of the box with the nvidia GeForce FX 5200 that chokes on nouveau. Not having to get rid of nouveau is a real pleasure.

The nv driver loads on booting, but is very slow ca. 36 fps with glxgears. I was able to compile and install the new nvidia driver 173.14.35 as described in my previous post. This also worked flawlessly. After installing the driver with xorgwizard, I got 88x improvement in performance (glxgears 3160 fps), making this one of the fastest puppies yet with this computer AMD Athlon 2 GB with 2GB RAM.

Thanks, Barry!

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#671 Post by Ray MK »

Hi Barry

5395 beta7.

Just done a manual frugal to sda and booted via grub4dos on both my 10yr old Acer laptop and a 2yr old Emachines E732 laptop with 2gb ram and an i3-370M proc.

All seems to be working OOTB on both machines.
Don't recall hearing woof-woof at startup. Re-started X server - no woof-woof.(using the E732)

Edit:Woof-woof does work on the Acer laptop - just booted and guess what? got a woof-woof.
Will try a fresh boot again with the E732 tomorrow.

However. went to YouTube and played the I'm Sorry Video, just fine.

So sound works and video seems fine.

Absolutely flies on the E732 and was also fast on the 10yr old Acer.
No apparent excessive cpu activity or heat either.

So for me - just using it as is - all seems good.

Now to try on the EeePc and the even older IBM.

Many thanks for a luvly Puppy - very best regards - Ray
Last edited by Ray MK on Sun 23 Sep 2012, 23:33, edited 1 time in total.
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Precise Puppy beta7, Sept. 23, 2012

#672 Post by Billtoo »

I took my 4gb flash drive from above posts and plugged it into my
eeepc 701, booted to ram and did the usual stuff, rebooted creating a
3rd save file on the flash drive.

Report Video 1.3-Sun23Sep2012onPrecisePuppy 5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML
Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Computer
Processor Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz
Memory 505MB (89MB used)

OpenGL
Vendor VMware, Inc.
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on i915 (chipset
Version 2.0 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
136 frames in 5.0 seconds = 27.123 FPS
134 frames in 5.0 seconds = 26.658 FPS
124 frames in 5.0 seconds = 24.765 FPS

Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter
(PCI-Express) (rev 01)

First boot did the same as 5.3.95 in that it booted to the prompt and
I needed to run xorgwizard + probe then xwin to get to the desktop.

I installed VLC with PPM.
Precise 5.3.95.1 is working well on this netbook.
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flash player

#673 Post by mrokosz »

Can anyone make a pet out of mint-flashplugin-11.deb file

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General impression

#674 Post by mrokosz »

I use a very old Sony Vaio P3 500 MHz 256 MB RAM notebook. I have installed on my PC win XP, Lubuntu 12.04, Bodhi Linux 1.4 and Precise 5.3.95 frugal. I did a little comparison, slowest is of course win xp, than puppy precise frugal, than Bodhi linux based on Ubuntu 10.04 and the fastest distro appeared to be Lubintu 12.04 how come? Puppy precise suppose to run from RAM, but I just suspect it is swapping all rhe time, it would be good explanation that is running slow, but full install does not run any faster. It uses less RAM than any other distro, htop shows 42MB compare to about 70 MB used by LXDE or E17, but CPU resources is different story, seems like lubuntu is the most efficient in CPU resources, I can run firefox very smooth, seamonkey get quickly saturated when I load media rich web page. Is Puppy precise optimized in how CPU resources are used? I know this is a very old PC, but all these distros are for the older hardware, on my netbook HP 210 mini I run ubuntu 12.04 and it is faster than any of this distros runing on the old hardware.

gcmartin

#675 Post by gcmartin »

PAE is exceptional on all my post 1999 PCs. No issues (except, of course, you know).

This is wonderful progress for all of us in Puppyland.

Performance is outstanding on every PC(s) tested.

You must be proud of this for it takes advantage of all PC's RAM no matter 256MB (trash laptop) to 8GB. The PAE version just doesnt care and does NOT impact performance in any way. Intel and AMD hardware assist for this is worthy for all 32bit configurations tested.

PAE now has over 1 year of tests in Puppyland distros. It has been demonstrating since its introduction by JamesBond that there is no negative impact in its use, assuming the PC boots to use it. This allows all PCs built since 1995 to work no matter how much RAM the PC has. (minimun recommendation is 512MB although it has been shown to run on 256MB laptops).

Thanks again, BarryK for the builds and the community for its testings.

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Re: Pnethood?

#676 Post by peebee »

rcrsn51 wrote:
peebee wrote:Has anybody else tried pnethood on Precise Beta 6 or 7?? It is very very slow to scan and connect compared with other recent puppies.
I can confirm that. I don't know what has changed in Pnethood, but you might want to look at YASSM. It's much faster.
Hi rcrsn51

Thanks for the suggestion but as we are trying to beta test what is being shipped in Precise I think it is better to try and work out why pnethood performs so poorly in this puppy. (or if we can't then we need to persuade Barry to ship with something better that performs adequately...)

In this spirit I have regressed pnethood on Precise 5.3.95 back through 3 versions - 0.6.9 then 0.6.8.9 and then 0.6.8.1

The very poor performance is evident in all versions - and there are no errors to suggest why either in the pnethood log or on the console if pnethood is run from there.

So I don't think it is a pnethood problem - it is some sort of interaction between pnethood and the underlying networking infrastructure of Precise. (there was something similar but not so marked with lupu which suggests it is something in ubuntu).

If anybody can think of a test I can do or some evidence I can generate to help track down the problem please let me know.

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Re: Pnethood?

#677 Post by rcrsn51 »

peebee wrote:If anybody can think of a test I can do or some evidence I can generate to help track down the problem please let me know.
I took the version of nbtscan out of Quirky and dropped it into Precise 5395. Pnethood immediately got faster.

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#678 Post by peebee »

rcrsn51 wrote:
peebee wrote:If anybody can think of a test I can do or some evidence I can generate to help track down the problem please let me know.
I took the version of nbtscan out of Quirky and dropped it into Precise 5395. Pnethood immediately got faster.
Great deduction ;-)

I did the same with the version out of Wary 5.3 and it also did the trick.

Looks like the 2009 version of nbtscan is needed - the 2012 version as in Precise and Slacko gives the abysmal scan performance.

But Slacko pnethood with the 2012 nbtscan works just fine.......

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Re: Pnethood?

#679 Post by rcrsn51 »

peebee wrote:Looks like the 2009 version of nbtscan is needed - the 2012 version as in Precise and Slacko gives the abysmal scan performance.
When jamesbond and I were developing Samba client apps for Fatdog, we found numerous cases where nbtscan was ineffective. That's why YASSM is now using mpscan as its scanning engine. It's a much more robust tool.

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#680 Post by James C »

More Nvidia testing.......

5.3.95 live pfix=ram on another old Puppy box.Display,sound and internet all working and correct on initial boot.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 15)
oem: NVidia
product: Riva TNT Chip Rev B1

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
1027 frames in 5.0 seconds = 205.387 FPS
1131 frames in 5.0 seconds = 226.153 FPS
990 frames in 5.0 seconds = 197.838 FPS
990 frames in 5.0 seconds = 197.927 FPS
1105 frames in 5.0 seconds = 220.972 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Memory : 254MB (145MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Sep 2012 09:09:09 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv05 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev20

-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1024x768 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : Nouveau
Renderer : Mesa DRI nv05 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+
Version : 1.2 Mesa 8.0.2
Direct Rendering : Yes

-Processor-
Name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Family, model, stepping : 6, 4, 2 (AMD Athlon (Thunderbird))
Vendor : AuthenticAMD
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 256kb
Frequency : 851.53MHz
BogoMIPS : 1703.01
Byte Order : Little Endian


# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 254424 246296 8128 0 22172
-/+ buffers: 224124 30300
Swap: 1076316 1624 1074692
#

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