Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012

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#681 Post by James C »

Same box...... 5.3.95.1 live pfix=ram.Too big to load into ram though.Sound,internet and display all working on initial boot. Display is offset slightly to the right......easily fixed.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 15)
oem: NVidia
product: Riva TNT Chip Rev B1

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nv

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
48 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9.579 FPS
47 frames in 5.1 seconds = 9.247 FPS
42 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8.399 FPS
49 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9.714 FPS
49 frames in 5.1 seconds = 9.566 FPS
50 frames in 5.1 seconds = 9.879 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Memory : 254MB (123MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Sep 2012 09:28:31 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev20

# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 254460 237960 16500 0 27528
-/+ buffers: 210432 44028
Swap: 1076316 724 1075592
#

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#682 Post by James C »

Pae kernel compared to non-pae..... :) All measurements done running live pfix=ram with SeaMonkey open to this forum.

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Memory : 254MB

5.3.95 pae version

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Memory	 : 254MB (145MB used) 

Mem: 254424 246296 8128 0 22172 
-/+ buffers: 224124 30300 
Swap: 1076316 1624 1074692 
5.3.95.1 non-pae version

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Memory	 : 254MB (123MB used) 

Mem: 254460 237960 16500 0 27528 
-/+ buffers: 210432 44028 
Swap: 1076316 724 1075592

Computer-
Processor : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Memory : 903MB

5.3.95 pae

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Memory	 : 903MB (196MB used) 
5.3.95.1 non-pae

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Memory	 : 903MB (188MB used) 
-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 3884MB

5.3.95 pae

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Memory	 : 3884MB (200MB used)


5.3.95.1 non-pae

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Memory	 : 2854MB (199MB used) 
PAE now has over 1 year of tests in Puppyland distros. It has been demonstrating since its introduction by JamesBond that there is no negative impact in its use......

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#683 Post by James C »

One final Nvidia test for the night....... I needed to drag some of these boxes off the shelf anyway. :)

5.3.95 live pfix=ram. Sound,internet and display all working and correct on initial boot.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: nv44 Board - p382h1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 55
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 56
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 59
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 58
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
glxgears: nvfx_state_fb.c:124: nvfx_framebuffer_validate: Assertion `util_format_get_stride(fb->zsbuf->format, fb->width) <= nvfx->hw_zeta.pitch' failed.

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Memory : 1554MB (203MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Sep 2012 10:53:41 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on NV4A
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2
Audio Adapter : MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART

-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1024x768 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : nouveau
Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on NV4A
Version : 2.1 Mesa 8.0.2
Direct Rendering : Yes

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#684 Post by James C »

5.3.95.1 live pfix=ram..... same box. booted to incorrect resolution.

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Memory : 1554MB (188MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Sep 2012 11:02:42 PM GMT-8
-Display-
Resolution : 1280x1024 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation

Let's see if I can change it..... :lol:

A few moments later......

Attempted to change resolution through First Run...... failed.Exited to prompt and successfully used Xorgwizard to achieve the desired 1024x768 resolution.Sound and internet good on boot.

Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: nv44 Board - p382h1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nv

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
117 frames in 5.0 seconds = 23.275 FPS
122 frames in 5.0 seconds = 24.345 FPS
120 frames in 5.0 seconds = 23.956 FPS
126 frames in 5.1 seconds = 24.925 FPS
121 frames in 5.0 seconds = 24.089 FPS
114 frames in 5.0 seconds = 22.772 FPS

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#685 Post by Sage »

Thanks for confirming 2Barks is switched OFF, Ray. Not sure why BK does this during his coding? Maybe it irritates him. Personally, during extensive testing, I find it massively helpful and reassuring. Must be an easy way to switch it on again, but this may need an extra line of text in the start-up storyboard?
I use a very old Sony Vaio P3 500 MHz 256 MB RAM notebook.
Probably not the best vehicle for testing - or owning: Vaio have a bad reputation on several counts eg unreliable, overheating, non-upgradeability, etc. Previously, I have advised strongly against laptops of any vintage and specification and not just on the grounds of the issues you now experience. They were/are a market scam.

Notwithstanding, recent releases of Puppy have become larger, more resource hungry and much much slower. All this, BK under huge pressure from the small but vocal over-endowed minority of a few nations, including my own, who are determined to suck up the unnecessary hardware proffered by the industry. This project began by offering remarkable performance on established ('old' is pejorative) reliable kit, providing most of the daily requirements of users. Landfill is the watchword. Let's not allow Wintel the last laugh.

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#686 Post by mrokosz »

Sage,
What's Your point. I own my laptop for 12 years, and I like it. I have several computers, laptops and desktop, tablets. My Vaio works without any problems all the time. It is slightly worm, definitely not overheating. Computers with more RAM, faster processors can run any linux distro and there is no reason to deal with GUI limitations. My Sony has really beautiful 12" mat display, it's lightweight and I like to use it. On my netbook, HP 210 mini I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 and also I did not notice any problem with this distro, except it won't run on my old hardware. On the other hand Lubuntu 12.04 with some modifications, like latest 3.6 kernel, some apps installed from ppa, and using flash player modified by mint distro to make it work run the best. I have tried several distros for computers with limited resources and I wrote what's my impessions from using them. I do not force anybody to use a specific distro, but it seems that Lubuntu team made a very good job.

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#687 Post by Sage »

What's Your point
Lucky you! I am very happy you are happy with your machine. Unfortunately, my experience of friends and acquaintances suggests you may in the minority. I get endless requests of which the two most frequent are for memory upgrades, which may either be impossible due to matching, availability, or slot-deficiency and cost. The other requests are of the 'fix-it, please' variety. Without the proprietary manuals and jigs, often the tabs break when opening the lids. Many have smashed screens due to owner/colleague carelessness with repair being uneconomic. Parts availability and pricing depend on the vagaries of eBay entries and the wind direction (I jest). The need to use stiff hinges tends to be a ticking time bomb; there are a few ultra-cautious owners, of course. Sometimes, owners are so fed up they offer me their dying machines gratis - I decline.

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#688 Post by mrokosz »

Sage,
I don't think any computer several years old is worthed to fix, usually You can get chiper used one, or replace with a current version that's on the market. But as long as it works is fine. I just get used to it. RAM is max out at 256MB. Like in any computer that old it is impossible to add it more, so what I just have to live with it. You can throw it to the garbage or use it. I decide to use it as long as it works, did not notice any problems. Even the latest kernel recognize this unit. I can not run several apps at the same time except playing music with deadbeef, and searching interenet, can still watch video on it, with mplayer.

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#689 Post by Sage »

You can throw it to the garbage
Naughty!
Yes, until recently we discovered that 196Mb was sufficient to run all Puppies except Saluki. Now 256Mb is struggling. BK daily confronts the problems of burgeoning library file sizes; some developers just don't care, some are less than competent (allegedly), others are brow-beaten by the selfish go-faster striped kiddies.
What to do?!

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#690 Post by artsown »

Wireless still not working with either version of B7. Test PC is a Dell 2350
having a p4 1.8 ghz cpu and 768 meg ram. Wireless adapter is Linksys
Wireless-G PCI WMP54G

Once after good connect and web surf I exited and did the .2fs Save file.
But after reboot, no connection. Sometimes get the empty (black) desktop
as well.

Art

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#691 Post by Ray MK »

Hi Barry

A recap regarding 2barks / woof-woof. It works.

Did a fresh reboot on both laptops, Acer 243LC and Emachines E732, and got a woof-woof on both machines with both 5395 and 53951.

So disregard my earlier comment about - no woof-woof.

Luvly Puppies - many thanks and very best regards - Ray
[b]Asus[/b] 701SD. 2gig ram. 8gb SSD. [b]IBM A21m[/b] laptop. 192mb ram. PIII Coppermine proc. [b]X60[/b] T2400 1.8Ghz proc. 2gig ram. 80gb hdd. [b]T41[/b] Pentium M 1400Mhz. 512mb ram.

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Beta7 non-pae Fine, opera problem solved

#692 Post by mikeslr »

Hi Barry K & All;

My computer:
Processor: 4x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 945 Processor
Memory: 3375MB
ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics supporting 1600x900 pixels
RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: VT1708B Analog
SB {HDA ATI SB], device 1: VT1708B Digital

Manual frugal install of Beta7, non-pae

Everything worked OOTB, with one snag. Although initial desktop came in at supported resolution, there were two annoying problems running Opera 11 or 12. The most annoying was that flash videos would not run showing a black screen where an image should be. The second was that if more than one tab was opened, except for the tab in focus the tab bar did not display the other tabs properly and the unused portion of the tab bar displayed random black pixels rather than a uniform gray space, Running xorgorwizard and probing to 1600x900x24 solved both problems. "Report Video Graphics" now indicates that the Ati Radeon driver was being used.

Not particularly important but just to make a note of it: On my Thinkpad T42, booting frugal install of Beta6 non-pae --it doesn't support pae kernels*-- the Lucid build of Songbird installs, displays but hangs if a Shoutcast selection is made.

And before I forget: Just a word of appreciation for whatever change you made to the routine to build/display the desktop after a change in the SFSes loaded. Previously, after removing or adding an SFS, the default desktop icons would appear on reboot. Now changing SFSes does not effect the desktop display.
And, of course, thank you for precise, itself.

mikesLr

* ergo my preference for non-pae on desktop: After my customizations on desktop, I just make a copy for all the files my Thinkpad.

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Fastest download

#693 Post by don570 »

Fastest download of precise-5.3.95.iso is


http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/di ... beta7-pae/

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beta-7

#694 Post by sszindian »

Figured I'd wait a few versions to see if the WiFi got corrected! Sorry to say, WiFi with rt2800usb is still NOT connecting. Hasn't worked since 5.2.60. Linksys adaptor blinks like it's searching, just not connecting!

So far everything else in beta-7 looks pretty good except... seems slower than earlier versions and still a lot of buffering at certain video sites.

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BugFix for modemprobe_erase

#696 Post by rerwin »

Barry,
While polishing and testing the firmware pets for DGC and HSF modems, I discovered that modemprobe_erase does not perform as I intended for modprobe config files named modemx_*. They are to be removed only if an 'erase' is done when the modem selection is already cleared. That is to leave them in place during a normal "erase" of a selection to change modem selection, but provide a way to remove them (say, for a hardware reconfiguration).

They have been used to handle the special case of HSF and ALSA drivers conflicting and HSF failing to work. I now plan to use it to retain the DGC config file across an erase-and-reboot. Without the file in place, the DGC driver does not load in time to function (providing modem sounds). It loads correctly for subsequent sessions.

The problem is that modemprobe_erase limits the action to a single config file for the original purpose. Although my intent was for it to act on any linuxant-driver "modemx_" file, I never changed the script. Now I would like it to handle any such file for the DGC, HCF and HSF modems. The change does just that, but not for other cases, simply to minimize exposure to accidental use of similarly named files for other purposes.

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--- /usr/sbin/modemprobe_erase	2012-02-01 06:58:19.000000000 -0500
+++ modemprobe_erase	2012-09-24 12:13:26.000000000 -0400
@@ -5,6 +5,7 @@
 #v432 Undo automatic HCF/HSF overrides if modem selection is already cleared, to require second erase to reset the overrides.
 #101203 bk: modified.
 #120201 BK: internationalized.
+#120924 rerwin: Extend to all linuxant modems the modemx file removal on erase-with-no-modem-set,.
 
 export TEXTDOMAIN=modemprobe_erase
 export OUTPUT_CHARSET=UTF-8
@@ -16,11 +17,13 @@
 #v432 If no modem currently "detected", reset ALSA override of HSF driver (and vice versa).
 if [ ! -e /etc/wvdial.conf ] \
   || grep -q -E '^Modem = (/dev/MYDEVM|MYDEVM)' /etc/wvdial.conf;then
- rm -f /etc/modprobe.d/modemx_hsfmc97xxx.conf #101115
+ rm -f /etc/modprobe.d/modemx_dgc* #120924
+ rm -f /etc/modprobe.d/modemx_hcf* #120924
+ rm -f /etc/modprobe.d/modemx_hsf* #120924
 fi #v432 end
 
 #100908 Delete modem configuration files, to allow fresh start.
-rm -f /etc/modprobe.d/modem_* `ls -1 /etc/modprobe.d/modemx_* 2>/dev/null | grep -v 'hsfmc97xxx' | tr '\n' ' '` #101115
+rm -f /etc/modprobe.d/modem_* #120924
 
 #100909 Reset config file modem and alternate.
 [ -e /etc/wvdial.conf ] \
Although it seems unrelated to this fix, I have found that pupdial misbehaves after using the Erase function. The selected modem name gets corrupted. Here is a summary of what I see:
  • After erase and then reboot:
    [Dialer Defaults]
    Modem = /dev/MYDEVM
    Baud = 460800

    connectwizard shows /dev/ttySHSF0.

    click dialup..., OK to first popup:
    [Dialer Defaults]
    Modem = /dev//dev/ttySHSF0
    Baud = 460800
UPDATE 9/25/2012: The fix for this is attached. A change made in wary 5.0 implies that the name "/dev/MYDEVM" is not expected. However, that name is generated upon exit from pupdial even when the value should be only "MYDEVM". The fix ensures that the expectation is met.

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--- /usr/sbin/pupdial	2012-05-14 04:52:50.000000000 -0400
+++ pupdial	2012-09-25 20:00:39.000000000 -0400
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
 #120202 rodin.s: internationalized.
 #120218 rerwin: Ensure non-null logon info for wvdial.
 #120329 Xdialog bug --yesno supposed to "yes" "No" buttons, but they are "OK" "Cancel".
+#120924 rerwin: correct setting of current modem device after erase.
 
 [ "`whoami`" != "root" ] && exec sudo -A ${0} ${@} #110505
 
@@ -712,8 +713,11 @@
 [ ! ${ENTRYACC2USER} ] && ENTRYACC2USER="MY2USERNAME"
 [ ! ${ENTRYACC2PASS} ] && ENTRYACC2PASS="MY2PASSWORD"
 
+MODEMDEVM="/dev/${DEVM}" #120924
+[ "${DEVM}" = "MYDEVM" ] && MODEMDEVM="MYDEVM" #120924
+
 echo '[Dialer Defaults]' > /etc/wvdial.conf
-echo -n "Modem = /dev/${DEVM}
+echo -n "Modem = ${MODEMDEVM}
 ${DEVMALTLINE}Baud = ${ENTRYBAUDM}
 Init1 = 
 Init2 = ${ENTRYINIT2M}
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#697 Post by Sage »

I'd wait ... to see if the WiFi got corrected
The best, ie easiest & most comprehensive, wi-fi utility is in PCLOS. The 2012-02 Xfce version might suit you. It's very slow as a liveCD, so recommend you install on an old HD to start with to see if you like it. Tex has made great strides since breaking away from the Mandrake fold.

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WiFi issue

#698 Post by sszindian »

Sage Wrote:

The best, ie easiest & most comprehensive, wi-fi utility is in PCLOS. The 2012-02 Xfce version might suit you. It's very slow as a liveCD, so recommend you install on an old HD to start with to see if you like it. Tex has made great strides since breaking away from the Mandrake fold.
--------------------------------------------------------
Appreciate your come-back Sage however... I myself am NOT looking for an alternative WiFi setup for Precise! I have tons of puppy's and other distro's that work as they should.

I TEST and report on NEW developments what is NOT working properly so BK and other dev's can find and correct the problem and won't be confronted by numerous new users once it makes the final stage of development.

But 'thank you' for your concern.

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#700 Post by Smithy »

Tried Non PAE version, boots up fine to desktop on Athlon XP 2400.

The look is good too, you can get round it in seconds and find everything.

GLX gears around 160, the wheels turn, but a little jerkily at times.
(can't believe that figure really though, when the usual figure for my RV280 Radeon 9200 is around 5000 to 1000 in most puppies with the Xorg High Pet put in them).

Internet works fine. A little modprobe is what it took to find the usb modem.
Usb cards come up fine, multiple soundcards fine.
Retrovol config, change HW0 to HW1 and restart X to change cards.
I Try not to do that too much in any Puppies though! Very temperamental.
Wine loads, wineasio, Jack.
Openbox 3.5.0 fails to show up.

No yellowish/green screen (as in 3HD) when changing Xorg from 24 to 16 bit, but still can't run Lugaru, a game I use as a reference test. Takes 3 minutes to get the mouse to hit play!

Apart from the ATI 9200 problem, everything works great as far as I can test.

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