Wary 5.3.92 (5.4beta2), Dec. 3, 2012

Please post any bugs you have found
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#21 Post by James C »

Attempted Wary 5.3.90 on my Windows 7/PCLOS?Puppy box.......was completely unable to get "X" started ....... even with "vesa". Posting from Slacko now.

# report-video
nvidia
Slacko Puppy, version 5.3.3 on Sat 29 Sep 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nvidia

X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (402x251 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
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#22 Post by Sage »

Attempted Wary
Yes, these releases of Wary & Racy are much more temperamental than anything seen previously. They work perfectly on some machines, not at all on others. Run them on 26 machines so far, still going. Unlike you, James, I don't keep extensive notes and screen drops. Strangely, the results are not what might be predicted - sometimes Racy run perfectly on old kit that defies Wary and v.v. The massive recent increase in .iso sizes isn't helping. Think it just emphasises HW tolerances - exactly the issue that confronted the other OS back in '95! This is what you get with cartels masquerading as progress. Soon there'll be a premium on SktA boards; SDRAM is already at a substantial price premium over DDR3...

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Wary and Racy 5.3.90 (5.4beta1), Sept. 28, 2012

#23 Post by Billtoo »

Manual frugal install to a 32gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 29 Sep 2012 on Wary Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 2.6.32.59 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller:nVidia Corporation GF108[GeForce GT430](rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF108 Board - 1071v0p1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nvidia

X.Org version: 1.3.0
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (524x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2/3DNOW!
Version 4.2.0 NVIDIA 304.51
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.312 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.008 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.008 FPS

Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The wireless network failed to setup so I plugged in the wired network.
The retrovol icon in the tray is x'ed out and configuring retrovol
doesn't work.
Tried to run alsamixer in the terminal and got this:
# alsamixer
cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
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But sound is working, I played an mp3 with mplayer, loud enough to
wake the dead until I grabbed the volume control and turned it down.
Nice wallpaper!

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#24 Post by Terryphi »

Upgrading a Racy 5.3 save file did not start well! No sound, wired LAN not detected and Opera seg faulted! However, on reboot all came well. Everything tested so far works OK.
[b]Classic Opera 12.16 browser SFS package[/b] for Precise, Slacko, Racy, Wary, Lucid, etc available[url=http://terryphillips.org.uk/operasfs.htm]here[/url] :)

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#25 Post by rameshiyer »

Jades wrote:
rameshiyer wrote:I have installed frugal wary on my office PC.
I was not able to configure LAN. ie. static IP is not possible. Hence no internet on my office PC while using Wary beta.
Simple Network Setup (SNS) will only work if DHCP is working on your network. Try using Network Wizard instead, this will allow you to set up with Static IP. Wired network devices are usually called eth0 (at least they are on the machines I use at home).
I have tried both Network wizard, etc. However, not possible to setup. Please also not that I have not seen any eth0 in the setup.

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#26 Post by Jades »

rameshiyer wrote:I have tried both Network wizard, etc. However, not possible to setup. Please also not that I have not seen any eth0 in the setup.
Of course I'm assuming that you are using a wired network. ;-) Wireless usually identifies as wlan0 and you need to scan for networks and select the one you want before you can set it up. How do you connect in other operating systems?
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Problems with Wary 5.3.90 on K6-2 500 machine

#27 Post by Jades »

Testing Wary 5.3.90 on my trusty K6-2 500 machine. Initially booted of LiveCD. Sound working straight away and a nice stable picture at 1024x768@85Hz on my ViewSonic E70fSB CRT. Ran Universal Installer and did a Full Install to empty ext4 partition sda2. Noticed that Universal Installer still wanted me to move the Live CD from sr0 (CDRW drive, secondary master and first boot device) to sr1 (DVD drive, secondary slave).

Installed grub4dos-0.4.4.v1.8.0.pet from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51697 and ran it, updating menu.lst and then chose to reboot the machine. Created 512MB ext4 savefile in /mnt/sda6/Pupsaves - partition is ext3 and is the main data partition on the machine.

Once booted into the newly-created Full Install of Wary 5.3.90 I set up the networking and installed the pets for mtPaint 3.44.03 (I've just noticed that 3.44.04 is now available from http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=654654).

Tried running SeaMonkey from desktop and menu. Nothing happened. Tried to setup CUPS. Nothing happened. Attempted to run SeaMonkey from task window and got an 'Illegal Instruction' error. K6-2 series is classed as i586 due to lack of CMOV instruction.

Playing MP3s works fine, both from loading the file from a filer window (eventually loads PMusic and plays the file) and by loading from MPlayer. Noticed that the files were playing at 37% volume for some reason, solved that by bringing up the main Retrovol window and increasing the slider for PCM up to 89%.

I've attached the full output of Report Video to this post, some more info about my system appear below.

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Report Video 1.3 - Sat 29 Sep 2012 on Wary Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 2.6.32.59 i586
 
Chip description:
  0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RL/VR AGP  
  oem: ATI RAGE128
 
X Server: Xorg  Driver used: r128

X.Org version: 1.3.0
  dimensions:    1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    24 planes

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-Computer-
Processor		: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
Memory		: 515MB (60MB used)
Operating System		: Unknown distribution
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sat 29 Sep 2012 03:50:53 PM BST
-Display-
Resolution		: 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Mesa DRI Rage 128 20051027 AGP 1x x86/MMX/3DNow!
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter		: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI
-Input Devices-
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse
 PC Speaker
-Printers (CUPS)-
CUPS-PDF		: <i>Default</i>
-SCSI Disks-
ATA IC35L080AVVA07-0
ATA FUJITSU MPA3017A
SONY CD-RW  CRX100E
HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-5000
LG USB Drive

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-Processor-
Name		: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
Family, model, stepping		: 5, 8, 12 (AMD K6-2)
Vendor		: AuthenticAMD
-Configuration-
Cache Size		: 64kb
Frequency		: 501.13MHz
BogoMIPS		: 1002.26
Byte Order		: Little Endian
-Features-
FDIV Bug		: no
HLT Bug		: no
F00F Bug		: no
Coma Bug		: no
Has FPU		: yes
-Cache-
Cache information not available
-Capabilities-
fpu		: Floating Point Unit
vme		: Virtual 86 Mode Extension
de		: Debug Extensions - I/O breakpoints
pse		: Page Size Extensions (4MB pages)
tsc		: Time Stamp Counter and RDTSC instruction
msr		: Model Specific Registers
cx8		: CMPXCHG8 instruction
pge		: Page Global Enable
mmx		: MMX technology
syscall		: SYSCALL and SYSEXIT instructions
3dnow		: 3DNow! Technology
k6_mtrr		: AMD K6 nonstandard MTRRs
Not tried it online yet, largely because that would require me to disconnect everything and physically move the computer into the study - not that I could really do much anyway with a non-working SeaMonkey.

HTH!
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#28 Post by Sage »

Here's a feature I've not seen before. Older kit, eg Soltek75KAV/396Mb/nV, SM won't run from Live CD, installed FF and Flashplayer not shown present, other querks. Normally run these things off CD-RW but this time had used a DVD-RW (good burn). Reverting to CD-RW, everything OK. Recent CD/DVD/DL drive. Must be some issue relating to read/access times as nothing to do with the rest of the HW.

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Wary and Racy 5.3.90 (5.4beta1), Sept. 28, 2012

#29 Post by Billtoo »

Manual frugal install to an 8gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 29 Sep 2012 on Wary Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 2.6.32.59 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon

X.Org version: 1.3.0
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (370x230 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

OpenGL
Vendor Mesa project
Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect
Version 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
Direct Rendering No
# glxgears
1693 frames in 5.1 seconds = 333.775 FPS
1656 frames in 5.2 seconds = 320.531 FPS
1656 frames in 5.0 seconds = 330.122 FPS
Computer
Processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory 1554MB (103MB used)
Multimedia
Audio Adapter CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wary 5.3.90 is working well on this compaq p4 desktop, Racy gives
direct rendering with the radeon 9200 graphics card but this is okay.

Sound, alsamixer, etc. all working fine.
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#30 Post by Keef »

Wary 5.3.90
Manual frugal install to a Compaq Armada M700 (850mhz).
Only a few issues noticed - sound not configured on first boot.
Alsaconf found the right module, but once selected it didn't get loaded. A reboot works or just modprobing it myself.
Also, there was an unusually long delay after selecting the keyboard layout.
Other than that, all seems ok.
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#31 Post by Sage »

Tried running SeaMonkey from desktop and menu. Nothing happened.
Yep - discovering several older machines here that won't load SM as well as other stuff. Wary seems to need quite a lot of work as BK intimated.

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#32 Post by rameshiyer »

Jades wrote:
rameshiyer wrote:I have tried both Network wizard, etc. However, not possible to setup. Please also not that I have not seen any eth0 in the setup.
Of course I'm assuming that you are using a wired network. ;-) Wireless usually identifies as wlan0 and you need to scan for networks and select the one you want before you can set it up. How do you connect in other operating systems?
Usually I don't have such problem while setting up LAN in wired environment.. I was using Puppy Linux for the past several years. I hope, this may be due to beta release.Even wired setup, eth0 has to be displayed. In this case, not showing. It may restored while next release.

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#33 Post by rcrsn51 »

rameshiyer wrote: It may restored while next release.
Not unless you provide some information to help fix it.

1. Run "lspci -nn". Is your Ethernet adapter listed? What are the [vendor:product] ID codes for it?

2. Run "lspci -k". Does it list a kernel module for your adapter?

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#34 Post by James C »

James C wrote:Attempted Wary 5.3.90 on my Windows 7/PCLOS?Puppy box.......was completely unable to get "X" started ....... even with "vesa".
Update:

On a fresh boot,live pfix=ram, I was able to use Xvesa to get a 1024x768 desktop.Not 1440x900 but at least it's working. :)

# report-video
cat: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 30 Sep 2012 on Wary Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 2.6.32.59 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xvesa Driver used: xvesa




...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
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#35 Post by `f00 »

1st look.. racy 5.3.90

fresh boot gives direct-to-desktop okay/useable but cramped 800x600, quickset only took input from my 'secondary' cordless mouse rather than my usual ps/2. Same old pmount tabview mixup - optical in 2nd floppy tab, thumbdrive in optical tab (this gives a not-so-good first impression for anyone using pmount with the default tabview). SeaMonkey 2.12.1 loads ok (from both desktop browse icon and menu). Here's the 'given' vid setup from..

Report Video 1.3 - Mon 1 Oct 2012 on Racy Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 3.0.25 i686

Chip description:
9.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 800x600 pixels (211x158 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

..edit xorg.conf and re-X..

Report Video 1.3 - Mon 1 Oct 2012 on Racy Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 3.0.25 i686

Chip description:
9.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

..less cramped but shifted left about 25 pixels and a bit wide (fixed with a custom modeline in xorg.conf). Still two ffconverts in rox OpenWith (one capped, other not). Oya, as for Planner being in two menu cats .. planner.desktop is correct single category (Categories=ProjectManagement) but /etc/xdg/menus/puppy-utility.menu has that category in its Utility-development section includes (not really a dev tool in the usual sense, but likely a mixup with project name terminology).
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test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

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#36 Post by Jades »

Sage wrote:
Tried running SeaMonkey from desktop and menu. Nothing happened.
Yep - discovering several older machines here that won't load SM as well as other stuff. Wary seems to need quite a lot of work as BK intimated.
To be fair to BK, I'd imagine that he himself no longer has a sub-i686 machine and is therefore reliant on those of us who still do so to report on things that fall over. James C's trusty PIII 730 (ish), classed as an i686 CPU, only started to show problems after a reasonably recent flash update.

Which were the other programs you were having problems with? As mentioned previously, the current problems with SeaMonkey aren't an incentive for me to carry 'Zhaan' to the other side of the house to connect to the internet.
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#37 Post by 01micko »

Jades, what about Opera?

It's labeled 'i386'. I'm fast turning off of anything mozilla lately. Perhaps try terryphi's sfs in the browser section.

I'm trialling in Slacko. It's near half the size of seamonkey, flash is working however I'm yet to trial it standalone. I'm thinking a lot of stuff is compiled against the seamonkey netscape libs (nss, nspr) for ssl and the like. There has also been reported printing issues with things such as airline and movie tickets.
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#38 Post by Jades »

01micko wrote:Jades what about Opera?

It's labeled 'i386'. I'm fast turning off of anything mozilla lately. Perhaps try terryphi's sfs in the browser section.
I've used those SFS files on Merlin, the Pentium D machine, for a while to great success. They're ideal for the way I use Puppy on that machine where everything's done with LiveCD and Pupsaves. Just make sure that the SFS is loaded, sync with Opera Link and away you go. The one Opera SFS can be used with any number of Puppy CDs and any number of save files.

Subject, of course, to the app actually managing to load on your computer. For some reason, I can't get recent Opera SFS files to run on on Zhaan, the K6-2 500 system. I have a frustrating lack of any information other than it is not running. :( SeaMonkey does at least give me enough to suggest a probable cause based on prior experience on that machine.

One of the odd things about my, admittedly brief relative to others here, time testing Puppy is that I've used Opera a lot on it and that preference spread to my XP setup too. I had prior experience of it quite some time ago, including the EPOC version I used to use on my Psion Revo Plus, but decided that since I was using a new OS (Puppy) anyway I might as well give it another shot. I really like it.

In general, my requirements for browser performance may not be as high as others. I still use RISC OS as a day-to-day OS and on that NetSurf is very much my first choice. On PCs, I've used Opera a lot in the last two years. It's a damned good browser. I eventually reinstalled Firefox after replacing this PC's hard drive and rebuilding the XP install, but that was largely because I was sick of my brother complaining that one of his Facebook games didn't work as well.

I grew up with Mozilla. First used the internet at university in 1996 and the choice was between NSCA Mosaic and Netscape 2. I was Netscape all the way back then, right up to Netscape 6 (IIRC). I do quite like SeaMonkey, and its old-school everything-Internet-integrated approach does have a certain retro charm, but my preferences evolved into having specific packages for specific jobs a long time ago.

If I had to pick only one thing that has really annoyed me about Firefox over the last few years, it's the massive increase in version number for very little obvious improvement.
01micko wrote:I'm trialling in Slacko. It's near half the size of seamonkey, flash is working however I'm yet to trial it standalone. I'm thinking a lot of stuff is compiled against the seamonkey netscape libs (nss, nspr) for ssl and the like. There has also been reported printing issues with things such as airline and movie tickets.
Given that Slackware 14.0 itself has only just been released, it's worth taking the time to trial Opera as Slacko's default browser during the testing phase if that's what you want to try. In general I find it an excellent day-to-day browser, but there aren't as many plug-ins as there are even on SeaMonkey. That's really a thing for another thread though. ;-)
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#39 Post by Sage »

Ah yes, Opera. BK is determined to avoid it. Seem to remember persuading him to contact those nice Norwegians a couple of centuries ago, but don't think he followed up on discussing with them some function he wanted but was missing at that time. I've been using Opera since the days when payment was required. More stable, more reliable, faster and a wonderful bunch of developers willing to answer my stupid questions and try to accede to the most demanding requirements. Then there was FlashPlayer and the idiot politicians who forced Auntie to flush our precious £££ down the Yankie drain labelled M$. They tell us they are working on HTML5 for iPlayer, but things move glacially at the Beeb. So the big question is which FP for what browser. SM in Wary requires 10.3.xx which isn't in BK's PPM list at present. Different Operas require different FP's. Goodness knows which FP other browsers need. Even Chromium, alleged to include FP, actually doesn't. One is supposed to enable it via <about:plugins >, but all the ones I've tried refer back to a download from the Adobe website, after which either they don't load or don't work.
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#40 Post by `f00 »

..my desktop's only a 12 yr old (positively young in comparison to some)

racy 5.3.90

Did a 'swap disc' upgrade from my previous racy 5.3 multisession disc onto the clean 5390 multisession disc. A fair amount of cleanup and settling in - some things went strange but given the updating procedure as it is it only took a bit of hunting and a couple reboot/saves to get comfy (with a perhaps superfluous-by-now script in /etc/init.d since my personal .xinitrc is somewhat different than the given default). Was quite odd to see fluxbox start 'normally' and then have a cluttered roxpin draped over it with both an fb and lxpanel..

Interesting to see what got 'updated' (not like the old days when things got dumped to a dir in tmp), not that I understand a lot of the under-the-hood changes but it seems lively yet stable.

(in afterstep wm) glxgears:
5803 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1159.199 FPS
6200 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1238.488 FPS
6200 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1238.500 FPS

Looking good on my old desktop - next..
____________
test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

------ offhand observation (a bit off-topic, but throwing it in anyway) ------
Compared to precise, menu compatibility is much better in racy with particular regard to lxpanel's menu plugin augmented by an lx-appearance.menu along with the others in /etc/xdg/menus dir. Structure is closer in racy, enabling a more familiar 'puppy' look with inline limits and so on if a branchout is desired. A nice feature of the lxpanel menu is that comment lines in the individual dotdesktop entries show as popups when hovered on the menu - this can be used with shorter, non-wordy entry names for a less 'sprawling' menu that still has the same or better comprehension of what the app does for users unfamiliar with the variety offered.

Not as skinny as a template but it pretty much auto-updates on-the-fly without any fuss :)
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