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nappy501
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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 Posted: Sat 29 Sep 2012, 17:33 Post subject:
 Installing Puppy to hard drive (multiboot)
Subject description: Unable to boot Puppy Linux after installation to hard drive. |
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The make of your computer?
Built desktop PC
The amount of RAM (memory) installed?
1 gb
The CPU (processor) speed?
AMD Sempron 2800+
What Hard Drives, CD-ROMs and DVD drives are installed?
CD/DVD rw
2 hard drives
The Partitions, size and type, on any hard drives?
What type of Keyboard & Mouse i.e. Serial, PS/2, USB or other?
Ps/2 mouse.
Which version of Puppy you are working with?
Slacko 5.3.3-4
I have been using OpenSuse for many years. However I find there is a lot of it for what I need. I used to have 512 mb of ram, which made OpenSuse quite difficult. I would like to try Puppy on my machine to see how I get on.
I have multibooted my machine putting Puppy on the second hard drive. I have tried a full install and a frugal install with no success.
| Code: | fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders, total 156301488 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2ece0b7c
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 63 20000924 10000431 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda2 * 20000986 156296384 68147699+ 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 20000988 20209769 104391 83 Linux
/dev/sda6 20209833 22394609 1092388+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7 22394673 65513069 21559198+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda8 65513133 131058269 32772568+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda9 131058333 156296384 12619026 83 Linux
Disk /dev/sdb: 82.0 GB, 81964302336 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9964 cylinders, total 160086528 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xf24ef24e
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 * 63 8000369 4000153+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sdb2 8000370 160071659 76035645 5 Extended
/dev/sdb5 8000433 29896964 10948266 83 Linux
/dev/sdb6 29897028 50990309 10546641 83 Linux
/dev/sdb7 50990373 63424619 6217123+ 83 Linux
/dev/sdb8 63424683 160071659 48323488+ 83 Linux
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This is my original menu.lst
| Code: | cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
# Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Sun Aug 26 16:20:48 BST 2012
# THIS FILE WILL BE PARTIALLY OVERWRITTEN by perl-Bootloader
# For the new kernel it try to figure out old parameters. In case we are not able to recognize it (e.g. change of flavor or strange install order ) it it use as fallback installation parameters from /etc/sysconfig/bootloader
default 0
timeout 9
##YaST - generic_mbr
gfxmenu (hd0,4)/message
##YaST - activate
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux###
title openSUSE 12.1 - 3.1.10-1.16
root (hd0,4)
kernel /vmlinuz-3.1.10-1.16-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_S0WCJDPP800779-part7 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_S0WCJDPP800779-part6 splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x317
initrd /initrd-3.1.10-1.16-default
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe###
title Failsafe -- openSUSE 12.1 - 3.1.10-1.16
root (hd0,4)
kernel /vmlinuz-3.1.10-1.16-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_S0WCJDPP800779-part7 showopts apm=off noresume nosmp maxcpus=0 edd=off powersaved=off nohz=off highres=off processor.max_cstate=1 nomodeset x11failsafe vga=0x317
initrd /initrd-3.1.10-1.16-default
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux (/dev/sda9)###
title Mandriva (/dev/sda9)
rootnoverify (hd0,8)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Linux other 1 (/dev/sdb5)###
title Linux Mint (/dev/sdb5)
rootnoverify (hd1,4)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: other###
title Puppy Linux (dev/sdb6)
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: other###
title Slitaz 4.0 (/dev/sdb7)
rootnoverify (hd1,6)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows 1###
title Windows XP
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows 2###
title windows 2
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy###
title Floppy
rootnoverify (fd0)
chainloader +1 |
/sda1 is windows xp
/sda5 is boot
/sda6 is swap
/sda7 is root
/sda8 is home
/sda9 is Mandriva
/sdb1 not sure why this is there
/sdb5 is Linux Mint
/sdb6 will be Puppylinux
/sdb7 will be Slitaz
/sdb8 partition for data storage
Although windows, OpenSuse, Mandriva Linux Mint work, Puppy and Slitaz don't.
I was receiving this message:
| Code: | rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1
Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format |
When I look at sdb6, the partition contains these files:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/9f22eb211622175
When I carry out the frugal install with this menu.lst:
| Code: | cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
# Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Sun Aug 26 16:20:48 BST 2012
# THIS FILE WILL BE PARTIALLY OVERWRITTEN by perl-Bootloader
# For the new kernel it try to figure out old parameters. In case we are not able to recognize it (e.g. change of flavor or strange install order ) it it use as fallback installation parameters from /etc/sysconfig/bootloader
default 0
timeout 9
##YaST - generic_mbr
gfxmenu (hd0,4)/message
##YaST - activate
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux###
title openSUSE 12.1 - 3.1.10-1.16
root (hd0,4)
kernel /vmlinuz-3.1.10-1.16-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_S0WCJDPP800779-part7 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_S0WCJDPP800779-part6 splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x317
initrd /initrd-3.1.10-1.16-default
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe###
title Failsafe -- openSUSE 12.1 - 3.1.10-1.16
root (hd0,4)
kernel /vmlinuz-3.1.10-1.16-default root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_S0WCJDPP800779-part7 showopts apm=off noresume nosmp maxcpus=0 edd=off powersaved=off nohz=off highres=off processor.max_cstate=1 nomodeset x11failsafe vga=0x317
initrd /initrd-3.1.10-1.16-default
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux (/dev/sda9)###
title Mandriva (/dev/sda9)
rootnoverify (hd0,8)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Linux other 1 (/dev/sdb5)###
title Linux Mint (/dev/sdb5)
rootnoverify (hd1,4)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: other###
title Puppy Linux 5.3.3 frugal (dev/sdb6)
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd
initrd /initrd.gz
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: other###
title Slitaz 4.0 (/dev/sdb7)
rootnoverify (hd1,6)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows 1###
title Windows XP
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows 2###
title windows 2
map (hd1) (hd0)
map (hd0) (hd1)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy###
title Floppy
rootnoverify (fd0)
chainloader +1 |
I get this error message:
| Code: | Loading drivers needed to access disk drives - done
searching Puppy files................. puppy_slacko_5.3.3sfs not found
Dropping to initial -ramdisk console |
As far as I can see the file is there.
Today I grabbed my daughter's laptop. A Packard Bell Easynote. 1gb ram memory.
Running windows xp.
I defragmented the C:\ drive and used GParted to make an approximate 10 gb partition with ext3. Initially, I put /dev/hda2 for boot, but when I rebooted it just went straight to windows. So I ran Grub and chose MBR next time. I get a linux boot screen from which I can boot windows, but when I try to boot Puppy i get error 15. File not found.
I thought the problems with my desktop were because I was trying to multiboot, but now I wonder. I would have thought that installation to a Windows machine would have been the easiest?
Please let me know if there is any further information you require. I hope that some is able to point me to the correct post or information.
Regards
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Karl Godt
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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Location: Kiel,Germany
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| Posted: Sat 29 Sep 2012, 18:16 Post subject:
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Maybe look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing
then.
The boundaries are
* 8.4 Gbytes (7.8 GiB)
* 128 GiB (≈137.4 GB)
Since the last partitions don't boot i suspect that your BIOSes don't support to boot that far on some of your HDs .
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Other than this it might be related to the filesystem setup made by Suse ( encryption, LVM2 ) . The graphical installer by Suse is very sophisticated and also confusing . There you might have chosen some partitioning options, that are not supported .
* Your other thread is here : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/puppy-71/multibooting-puppy-linux-can-anyone-see-my-mistake-4175427546/
There you were advised to install grub to the superblock of sdb6 to do a chainloader+1 .
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rcrsn51
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 7753
Location: Stratford, Ontario
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| Posted: Sat 29 Sep 2012, 18:57 Post subject:
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| Code: | rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1 |
In order for this method to work, you must do a GRUB install into the partition boot sector of sdb6. Do this with the GRUB Legacy Bootloader Config.
Or use
| Code: | root (hd1,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb6 ro vga=normal |
| Code: | title Puppy Linux 5.3.3 frugal (dev/sdb6)
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd
initrd /initrd.gz
Loading drivers needed to access disk drives - done
searching Puppy files................. puppy_slacko_5.3.3sfs not found
Dropping to initial -ramdisk console |
Puppy is usually pretty good at finding its sfs file, but it can get confused if there is both a full and frugal install present. You can help it by adding the following to the end of the kernel line.
| Code: | | pdev1=sdb6 psubdir=/ |
| Quote: | | error 15. File not found. |
That means just one thing - either vmlinuz or initrd.gz are not where the GRUB menu expects them to be.
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nappy501
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun 30 Sep 2012, 16:16 Post subject:
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Thank you for your response.
I had a look at this. Which bit was I supposed to be looking at in particular? Was it under 'Enhanced BIOS'? or 'OS dependencies'?
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The boundaries are
* 8.4 Gbytes (7.8 GiB)
* 128 GiB (≈137.4 GB). |
I am afraid I don't understand this. Unless you are saying the first drive is okay as Mandriva is in the last 12 gb, but the second drive isn't. I suppose the only way to check this out would be to put Puppy linux where Linux Mint is on the second drive? As the Linux Mint starts before 8.4 gb.
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Since the last partitions don't boot i suspect that your BIOSes don't support to boot that far on some of your HDs .. |
Or maybe I should stick Mandriva where puppy should be and see if it works?
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Other than this it might be related to the filesystem setup made by Suse ( encryption, LVM2 ) . The graphical installer by Suse is very sophisticated and also confusing . There you might have chosen some partitioning options, that are not supported .. |
I was very careful to ensure that all the partitioning details where the same for all the partitions when I installed OpenSuse. The only one I have changed since then is /hdb8 as I was unable mount it or write to it and I wanted to use it to store files.
The original menu.lst was
| Code: | ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: other###
title Puppy Linux (dev/sdb6)
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1 |
Post #3 gives details of instructions I carried out as I understood them. However I am now beginning to wonder as I have had to go away and look up superblock. Did I not do what was requested? If I have not done as requested, please can you provide detailed instructions.
Regards
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nappy501
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun 30 Sep 2012, 16:29 Post subject:
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Thank you for your response.
| rcrsn51 wrote: | | Code: | rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1 |
In order for this method to work, you must do a GRUB install into the partition boot sector of sdb6. Do this with the GRUB Legacy Bootloader Config. |
I don't think I am being very clear. The first thing I did was the above, but then I worried because it did not work that I had not done that. So I went away and put in the live cd, went through the installation again. Then when it was finished, I went to grub and put it filled in sdb6 when asked.
Because it is an installation I have to write down everything I do. Maybe it would be better if I took a photograph of each screen then you could see what I am doing?
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Or use
| Code: | root (hd1,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb6 ro vga=normal |
| Code: | title Puppy Linux 5.3.3 frugal (dev/sdb6)
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd
initrd /initrd.gz
Loading drivers needed to access disk drives - done
searching Puppy files................. puppy_slacko_5.3.3sfs not found
Dropping to initial -ramdisk console |
Puppy is usually pretty good at finding its sfs file, but it can get confused if there is both a full and frugal install present. You can help it by adding the following to the end of the kernel line.
| Code: | | pdev1=sdb6 psubdir=/ |
| Quote: | | error 15. File not found. |
That means just one thing - either vmlinuz or initrd.gz are not where the GRUB menu expects them to be. |
Okay, what I am going to do is start again. I will format the partition and do it over. I will return the menu.lst to its original state.
I will let you know how I get on.
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nappy501
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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Posted: Mon 01 Oct 2012, 14:38 Post subject:
SOLVED.
Subject description: Unable to find original error. |
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I am not sure what I did wrong, but Puppy is now installed.
I was able to install Mandriva 2010 on sdb7, when I clicked on slitaz it booted immediately to Mandriva on sdb7.
So knowing that, I reformatted sdb6 and carried out a frugal install. When it was finished it did not boot.
I then booted to OpenSuse and changed menu.lst to:
| Code: | rootnoverify (hd1,5)
kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd
initrd /initrd.gz |
And was able to boot to Puppy. I will give the laptop another go, to see if I can get that sorted.
As it is in the last 10 gb of the hard drive what do I do if it won't boot? I understand that after a certain point some disks won't boot?
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rcrsn51
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Posted: Mon 01 Oct 2012, 15:36 Post subject:
Re: SOLVED.
Subject description: Unable to find original error. |
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| nappy501 wrote: | | kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd |
You could make this faster by adding
| Code: | | kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd pdev1=sdb6 |
Then Puppy wouldn't have to search for its sfs file.
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nappy501
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Posted: Mon 01 Oct 2012, 17:20 Post subject:
Re: SOLVED.
Subject description: Unable to find original error. |
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| rcrsn51 wrote: | | nappy501 wrote: | | kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd |
You could make this faster by adding
| Code: | | kernel /vmlinuz pmedia=atahd pdev1=sdb6 |
Then Puppy wouldn't have to search for its sfs file. |
Right, I shall give that a go. Thank you very much.
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