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Puppy CD boot hangs at speaker input - Solved
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Rahvin

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 00:48    Post subject:  Puppy CD boot hangs at speaker input - Solved
Subject description: Toshiba Satellite L505-GS6000
 

Hello all.

I have created a puppy linux bootup CD using UNETLOOPIN and the US lupo version of puppy. I have managed to get it to boot to the splash screen and it loads the drivers and files. It hangs at the input of the pc speakers device. At this point I have to turn the machine off and start over. Is there a way to deactivate this and actually reach the puppy desktop? I could not get a usb drive to work. I have found that if I choose a fdd <flash drive> that it brings up a one line description of linux, and then hangs.

I would really appreciate some help, I am trying to rescue my files off of a laptop before doing a complete factory reset. (Serious bootup issues)

Thanks all.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 01:00    Post subject:  

Unetbootin perhaps? Lol, just a little tease.

Welcome, as we say, to the Kennels!

Specs of the system in question?

Is it possible the system has hardware issues? If it does not hang consistently at the same exact place, it could be a RAM problem. (Memtest86+ would be your next stop, then.)

Also, Puppy sometimes pauses during bootup, particularly on slower systems. How long do you let it sit there?

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Rahvin

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 01:12    Post subject: Thx for the quick reply  

and yes you got it right... I just guessed at the title since today is the first time I have used it or heard of it. (same for puppy but I absolutely love the idea of a ram only OS for troubleshooting and disk recovery)... it does hang at the same place all the time, the pc speaker device manager input line. (I can get the exact line for you if you need it)...

I am trying to recover a Toshiba Satellite L505 running windows 7 32 bit.
I didn't leave it for an extensive amount of time, how long is too long....

also note that I have used the WINDOWS MEMORY DIAGNOSTICS TOOL and it seems to have hanged as well... it has been on the same line for about 30 minutes... How long is too long?

Thanks for your help
(oh any advice on the jump drive deal? - I would much prefer using it instead of a CD)...

Also note that the CD is closed.... and it's a CD-R
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 01:50    Post subject:  

Need your exact specs...too many >> L505 models.

http://www.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-l505-s5971/4507-3121_7-33743839.html

Probably Intel graphics.

128 MB ...Intel GMA 4500MHD

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Try these

>> DpupExprimo5X327 >>an earlier series....my pick

http://smokey01.com/pemasu/DpupSqueeze5X/DpupExprimo5X327

squeeze-5.X.3.2.7-SCSI.iso 23-Feb-2012 15:36 150M


Slacko 533.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76279


Lucid 528.05 that's the newer one

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70855


Three-Headed Dog 5.2.8.005 Updated ISO..== newer kernel

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736

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I am trying to recover files...see my Windows fixes.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58305

Take the hard drive out if you have to.
Also try Hirens or the Falcon boot cd

Falcon- Hirens' links and advice...my post.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58186

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Recover files from Windows hard disk using Puppy Linux

http://help.artaro.eu/index.php/data-recovery/recover-files-from-hard-disk.html#.UHUaWZRsLMQ

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1501171

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The Falcon can also remove Win updates and...

Remove programs - uninstall from cd.

Has the latest ERD Commander ...plus some Hirens' utilities.

Try Puppy first...take care.

ALWAYS....ALWAYS

Use Copy....Do not Move the files...SAFER

Chris.
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Rahvin

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 03:43    Post subject: conintuing on  

I have a Satellite L505-GS6000
I coudl not find any links to download the falcon bootup

I think the majority of my problems occurred when the owner let windows try to update itself without plugging the laptop in. Battery died in the middle of the update and probably left file handles open all over the place.

can't boot in normal mode
can't boot in safe mode
They didn't make a system restore disk
I will restore it to factory defaults but would like to try to save their files

can't get puppy to work, hangs on the pc speaker input line, never reaches the deskop.

Can't get puppy to boot from the usb drive at all, I checked the files on the drive and they are laid out in folders, there is a boot record on there, so the .iso write to the CD-R went off right, just can't get it to load
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 09:56    Post subject:  

Quote:
also note that I have used the WINDOWS MEMORY DIAGNOSTICS TOOL and it seems to have hanged as well... it has been on the same line for about 30 minutes... How long is too long?

This indicates possible memory problems.
Try this with Puppy CD:
At boot screen hit F2 key
use boot option:

puppy pfix=nocopy

This keeps Puppy from loading totally in ram and keeping most data on CD for access. It will boot fast, but be slower to use. Needs to access CD more when running.

To check memory download and burn a bootable CD of Memtest86.
http://www.memtest.org/#downiso

May want to try a search, in the support section, of the computer manufactures website, for help with a broken Windows update.

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Rahvin

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 10:38    Post subject: RAM test passed
Subject description: Still hanging on same line every time I boot puppy
 

Hello and thank you for helping me.

I tried the commnad line puppy pfix=nocopy but it didnt' change anything.

My puppy boot hangs at the same time every time.

the line:

input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input3

(It should be noted that puppy loaded fine on a second laptop that don't have HDD issues....)

I don't really need a pc speaker for the recovery operation that I am working on, is there a way to disable it? or skip this load line? Do you know what is going on here that is causing the boot to stop?

Thanks Again
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Rahvin

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 11:42    Post subject: Issue Resolved
Subject description: Thanks to everyone for your help
 

I was able to get the laptop to boot using puppy "squeeze" (lol) and was able to get to my desktop. I can now retreive all the files that are on the HDD....

I started at the beginning of cthisbear's post and was going to burn a boot cd for each version of puppy and try them all.

I luckily got it to boot with exprimo... the first one... quite excellent
it seems that there is a problem between Lucid and toshiba.


Thanks all for your help!
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 11:52    Post subject:  

I still think you got a bad stick of ram in that box.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 12:40    Post subject: Re: Issue Resolved
Subject description: Thanks to everyone for your help
 

Rahvin wrote:
it seems that there is a problem between Lucid and toshiba.
I think it is worth confirming the integrity of that first CD in a couple of other PCs as well - just in case there was a minor problem with the download or burn. Does the CD load perfectly in other systems?

(It is possible to have a data corruption on the CD that affects only one small part of the system performance...)
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Rahvin

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 18:16    Post subject:  

yes. the first cd works just fine in my acer laptop. I also downloaded a memory test program (can't think of the name) and tested the ram... so there isn't a problem, there.

I think the problem arose because different versions of puppy only work with certain branded laptops.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct 2012, 18:56    Post subject:  

Rahvin

" I was able to get the laptop to boot using puppy "squeeze"

Great...thanks for replying back..
Please edit your post as solved...helps others in searches


Puppy CD boot hangs at speaker input - Solved


Toshiba Satellite L505D-GS6000..here are your exact model specs

" Graphics Processor
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Shared video memory (UMA)

http://www.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-l505d-gs6000/4505-3121_7-34024558.html

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" I could not find any links to download the falcon bootup "

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Falcon link was under ...>>>

Boot CD to copy Files to USB...>>> in the whirlpool link

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1501171

Stating>>
" Links in my post here.
Of course the Falcon is there as well. "

Retrieving photos and documents from a crashed XP computer

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58186

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Anyway...all links work still...I tested them

Links working as at October 2012

Use this...and don't believe CRAPPY VIRUS SCANNERS
there are no viruses/trojans in it.

Not using AVG2013 is it????

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1990271#r3

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FalconFour's Ultimate Boot CD/USB 4.5 - Hiren's 13.0 >> 439.46 MiB

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6238607/FalconFour_s_Ultimate_Boot_CD_USB_4.5_-_Hiren_s_13.0

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Hirens Boot cd 15.1

Go down the page and click on

+ Direct HTTP Mirror
above this >>> or choose another version:

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/


Right clicking on + Direct HTTP Mirror
will start it downloading correctly as a >> self extracting zip
near the bottom of the page.

Handy but use the others first...

FalconFour's Micro Boot CD >> 47.95 MiB

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5930392/FalconFour_s_Micro_Boot_CD_2.5_-_Live_XP__Spinrite__Kon-Boot

Links Tested October 2012

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Chris.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct 2012, 04:16    Post subject:  

bash-3.00# dmesg |grep input

gives me

[ 31.776037] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input3
[ 31.953328] input: HDA Digital PCBeep as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input4

The pcspkr.ko kernel-driver-module is not essentially necessary . That is a

CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR:
Say Y here if you want the standard PC Speaker to be used for
bells and whistles.
If unsure, say Y.
To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the
module will be called pcspkr.

from the kernel help .

There seems not to be a kernel-parameter for preventing the loading of the pcskr module .
Puppy has unfortunately no "pmodule=pcspkr:blacklist;radeon=param1:1,param2=0xb" boot parameter to pass to /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit .
Blacklisting can only be done after at least booted to the prompt - either by editing /etc/rc.d/MODULESCONFIG or running /usr/sbin/bootmanager while in X . Newer Puppies should be able to honor the blacklist entries in /etc/modules.d/* files .

Lupu uses a script named /sbin/pup_event_modprobe_protect that does a cat for a pipe . Here it might be that the cat is waiting for something and thus stands everything . That script was dropped in later Woof but playdays had his own Woof after a while .

Also possible is a mismatch with acpi related things . Since the module loading happens in parallel to the boot process by triggering udevd it might be that files in /etc/init.d/ already are starting services that claim the /proc/acpi/event file for example .

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