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elroy


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 14:44    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
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non-PAE ISO

Great news, el ! Whilst we were waiting, I successfully ran PAE002 on a 3.4G mono-core box with amazing results (001 didn't really work on anything in my stable and I don't do multiple core machines). Have just been reporting over on Slacko that the ever-problematic Netgear (prism054g) dongle actually works on C.002 using BK's SNS. This will please a whole bunch of guys who struggle with this Intelsil/Cohiba/Wistron/Prism/Netgear and other aka s. Might I suggest you strike up a contact with 01micko and possibly other developers, including BK, to explain how you achieve this feat that has defied many other distro gurus? Judging by several Fora, there's a lot of folks in possession of this unit.

Hello Sage,

I think the difference between Saluki and Carolina, as far as the dongle is concerned (and I cannot speak to other Puppy's) is the construction of the zdrive module. The Carolina zdrive is hand-created; it is based on Saluki's zdrive, but with modifications.

The main reason carolina-001 was buggy is due to the fact that we hadn't provided the necessary firmware upon the initial release. A terrible oversight on our part. 002 has the firmware on the zdrive. Also, pemasu provided a key file pertaining to the 3.2.13 kernel that was missing at the release of 001. Fortunately, carolina-002 is proving to be much more stable all-around. There were many small fires with 001, but we managed to knock a lot of them down in short order.

I can only take partial credit for the dongle success, as I only acted on Geoffrey's suggestions on the placement of the firmware in order to get it working. Of the two of us, Geoffrey was the only that had access to a dongle for testing purposes.

If you compare the saluki-023 zdrive to the carolina-002-non-pae-light zdrive (apple to apple comparison due to the same kernel being used), you'll see the differences between the two zdrives, particularly concerning the rt2870sta.

As a side note, I did a fix and re-upload of the carolina-002-non-pae-light ISO after I read your post. I built it using the custom-builder, and only later noticed that it had reverted to the stock Saluki style zdrive minus our modifications. If you do choose to compare it with Saluki, you would need to re-download the carolina-002-non-pae-light ISO. A comparison would be easier for you to see what we did differently, as explaining it would be a rather lengthy and dry read.
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linux

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 15:42    Post subject:  

Beta version 0.0.2 is working well. I will hopefully give it a try on a old Macbook Pro dual core tomorrow.

Is it possible to add Firewall Status to your next build as it is quite handy for a new puppy user to quickly see if the firewall is enabled. It seems to work fine with Carolina.

Thanks again for all your hard work
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elroy


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 16:38    Post subject:  

linux wrote:
Beta version 0.0.2 is working well. I will hopefully give it a try on a old Macbook Pro dual core tomorrow.

Is it possible to add Firewall Status to your next build as it is quite handy for a new puppy user to quickly see if the firewall is enabled. It seems to work fine with Carolina.

Thanks again for all your hard work

I'm quite curious to hear of your progress concerning the Macbook Pro install. Please keep us updated on this front.

As far as the firewall is concerned, I'm currently playing with ideas for 003 of having the default firewall enabled upon initial boot-up. Hopefully I'll have some success with that. Thank you for your input, it's much appreciated.
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yerc1

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 18:12    Post subject:  

Upgraded my 001 usb intall to 002.
Upgrade process was easy.
My method:
    -downloaded the delta file
    -created 002 iso from 001 iso + delta, after checking delta md5sum is ok
    -extracted contents of 002 iso to carolina002 folder in the usb
    -updated grub menu entries to point to new carolina folder
    -backed up 001 savefile
    -restarted and chose to run carolina with savefile (that of 001)
    -accepted prompt to upgrade from 001 to 002.
    -system went straight to desktop (as expected) and with my few customisations still in place. done

Question1 - What would I miss out with this method compared with starting over from scratch?

AFAIK the only thing that doesn't work is the ENE sdcard reader.
Carolina detects when I insert an sdcard but doesn't mount the sdcard.
I think the kernel uses keucr module which appears to have been superceded by ums_eneub6250 (?).

Question2 - Is there a chance to have Carolina support for the ENE sdcard reader?

When that support is available, Carolina will be the perfect OS for my netbook.

Thanks for Carolina Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed 17 Oct 2012, 20:39    Post subject:  

PAE on 8 PCs circa 2001 to 2009....All work without issue!

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 00:39    Post subject: Re: non-PAE carolina light 002  

elroy wrote:
Well, time allowed. Here is the non-PAE carolina-002 light version. See the post above for details on what these light versions are.


Grub4dos based Frugal install on IDE CF Card in Fujitsu lifebook S6210. This is a 1.6 GHz Pentium M laptop (no PAE support) with 1Gb RAM, Intel 2200pro wireless, Intel I915 graphics, std 1024x768 LCD. It's roughly 7 years old. Just enough git for Xfce.

Absolutely flawless install. Wireless, sound, display, touchpad, ACPI, CPU throttling, all OOTB. I wasn't surprised after Saluki, but this is even more refined.

The 'light" makes an absolutely marvelous core. It has just enough to build on and no more. Congratulations on the choices. 7 pets later, 4 from the excellent repository and 3 from my antiques box, and it is ready for the road.

Thanks for great work.

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Sage

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 04:38    Post subject:  

Many thanks for your extensive explanations, el - most helpful. And, sorry not to include G for his immense contributions.
There is good news and bad news - isn't it always so.
I am getting C002-regular running on some older kit, albeit a bit slower as expected. The bad news is that the dongle isn't working on these slower machines (mostly AMD, as I only accept limited Intel gear as gifts not to offend dear well-meaning friends!). This whole fiasco with the Prism-chipped devices needs a lot, lot more testing and I'm not sure I can devote so much effort as I am in the process of winding up an RPi. The latter is devouring vast amounts of my attention on HW, never mind my total inability in the SW area.

As for your valued efforts to turn out a 'lite' (light?!) non-PAE, afraid I jumped the gun and d/l as soon as you u/l, will need to re-burn your latest version. It is my opinion, not widely shared, of course, that the Puppy-Xfce project needs to severely limit itself to as small an .iso as possible. The new Mint 64bit Xfce is utterly brilliant, so I don't believe it's a good idea to develop what started out as a compact distro to compete with that sort of project, having, as it does a vast retinue of developers. Terryphi expressed similar ideas in BK's blog in respect of Precise, but I don't want to speak on his behalf, necessarily. Nor do I want to denigrate your fantastic efforts - just some notions to bear in mind. Is size important? Yes, small is beautiful! One of the notables, I forget, was it Heisenberg, suggested that elegance of theory can be expressed by a paucity of variables on a single line. Or words to that effect, possibly in German?
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 06:25    Post subject: Broadcom wl support in Carolina 002  

The rerwin_woof_fixes-delta-3f.pet hasn't made it into the 002 build - it needs to be loaded before Broadcom wl wifi support works:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76495&start=8

Other requirements (xdelta and the wl delta file are present).

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 06:43    Post subject:  

The orange text on the boot screen is very soothing after a few jars, but if I want to add any boot-codes, esp. Pfix=ram this is scarcely visible in daylight. Worse, if my auto screen-dim kicks in, all text disappears. At present, I'm using the F2 option but I don't see any reference to this anywhere?
Nice wallpaper. Wasn't this the one used by the late, lamented Wolvix?
If you're doing a reduced-size .iso and you decide to change a lot of options to accommodate it, particularly for use on older kit, why not brand it 'berem' ? [Google]
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 11:44    Post subject:  

0.0.2 is working great on an Inspiron 6000 laptop, wireless networking enabled without any problems. The sound was not working then I saw a post about turning off the slmodem in BootManager, the Sigmatel on-board sound was then detected and is working nicely.

I will try and give it a go on the MacBookPro when I can get hold of it.

One thing I did note is as standard the bottom panel is very small on all my computers I changed the size the 35 in the panel prefs, and it looks about right. I have attached a screenshot to show how the panel looks now.

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 11:46    Post subject:  Frisbee in beta 2  

I downloaded and used beta 2 with no problems for 2 days. The 3rd day, frisbee
suddenly died while I was working. It would not restart no matter what I did.
Maybe not important but just thought I would mention it. Network wizard
started up just fine.
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elroy


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:04    Post subject:  

yerc1 wrote:
What would I miss out with this method compared with starting over from scratch?
Not necessarily. If there was a serious flaw or a major change between versions, then some of the contents of your savefile could cause unintended consequences. But if it seems to be running stable, then it should be good. Yes, the delta is nice. You have peebee to than for that.

yerc1 wrote:
Is there a chance to have Carolina support for the ENE sdcard reader?
I'm looking into this. However, I've been busy with dental issues, so I may not be able to devote my full attention to it for a couple days.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:14    Post subject: Re: non-PAE carolina light 002  

Marv wrote:
Grub4dos based Frugal install on IDE CF Card in Fujitsu lifebook S6210. This is a 1.6 GHz Pentium M laptop (no PAE support) with 1Gb RAM, Intel 2200pro wireless, Intel I915 graphics, std 1024x768 LCD. It's roughly 7 years old. Just enough git for Xfce.

Absolutely flawless install. Wireless, sound, display, touchpad, ACPI, CPU throttling, all OOTB. I wasn't surprised after Saluki, but this is even more refined.

The 'light" makes an absolutely marvelous core. It has just enough to build on and no more. Congratulations on the choices. 7 pets later, 4 from the excellent repository and 3 from my antiques box, and it is ready for the road.


Hi Marv, very nice to hear from you again.

Glad you're enjoying Carolina, and the "light" version. I was wondering if someone would understand what I was trying to accomplish with making a "light(s)" version available; I'm very happy that you find it useful.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:22    Post subject:  

Sage wrote:
'lite' (light?!)?

A play on words. It's obviously 'lite' as in little, but I named it 'light' because it was a very much "light-bulb coming on moment" when I decided to make them.

As far as Carolina's overall size, we feel that we're not competing, just offering users another choice. Because of the frugal install capability, and because of the custom builder, we feel we have a niche regardless of size. Because we're a branch of Puppy, if Carolina doesn't fit the bill, we wholeheartedly support someone using a Puppy distro that does. Besides, a much smaller Carolina can be created by a savy user using the "light" version, even a non-PAE version.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Oct 2012, 13:26    Post subject:  

linux wrote:
One thing I did note is as standard the bottom panel is very small on all my computers I changed the size the 35 in the panel prefs, and it looks about right.

The beauty of xfce is the ability to easily change the appearance of your Carolina installation. If you were to create a custom-build, you could create an adrive or ISO that has your customizations in place for future installs.
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