Does Puppy allow manual internet connection (wired) setup?

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zeiz
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#21 Post by zeiz »

I got finally what I wanted at the beginning: typical dual boot Win98-Puppy with dedicated ext2 and swap partitions.
However I still have "frugal" install in \boot on win98 partition and sfs files (save included) in root of c:
Is it possible that save file on fat16 will affect behavior of full puppy on ext2 partition?
I'm in doubts because that install runs from hdd having full filesystem on hdd like any other regular distro but who knows, it's a puppy...
On the other hand I got an idea to make another frugal install: this time on ext2 partition with 2.17.1 and boot it with grub1 newly installed! I took a look again at your pictures and it would be similar to your setup.
Perhaps I could manage to install newer versions that "not found" on fat16 partition now and get finally online?
greengeek wrote:use the xircom in the other bootable laptop too, so that it is all proven compatible).
Too bad but it's impossible right now: Dell D800 has only 1 pcmcia slot so it's narrow but xircom card designed thick to hold RJ45 so it takes space of both slots in TP (only lower is engaged). It will not fit into Dell's. My wife's laptop has no pcmcia :(
Anyway thank you for the tip: I'll try it if I have a chance to borrow suitable laptop.

I keep win98 because of 2 reasons: first is that it has pure dos (shift-f5 at boot) and there is a folder in root called "bios". So if I'd have a chance to spot the battery somewhere I gonna grab it immediately and update my damn old bios :lol:
The second reason is a kind of nostalgia: it was win98SE (with Access97) when I made my first db application for a business that I started overseas with a lady who is now my wife and mother of my 2 beautiful boys.
However if I'd manage to update the bios I'd probably drop emotions and upgrade to W2K :lol:

Thank you again: I'll try the frugal install on ext2 right now.

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#22 Post by starhawk »

zeiz, I did a look around for you -- here is the download spot for your laptop's latest BIOS.

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais ... 67&pf=true

You will need a functioning floppy drive and functioning floppy disk for this. I either don't know or can't remember your location, but if you're in the States, I can make the disk for you and send it to you. It's small so I can send it free of charge (normally I ask people to pay postage, but for this... not necessary at all).

Good luck!

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#23 Post by zeiz »

Starhawk,
Thank you very much, I do appreciate your kindness.
But it's not me but Greengeek who owns Toshiba Tecra TE2100.
I'm struggling with IBM ThinkPad 560E (no floppy, no cdrom, no usb) and I do have its latest bios but the problem is that IBM flash utility for this model fails to flash without fully charged battery. My battery obviously is long dead.
So I'm waiting for a chance to borrow the battery or to emulate it with another electronic device.
Many thanks again.

Greengeek,
I'd like to thank you once again for the pictures. I believe I clearly understand now this puppy property as well as your design. So I'll move forward this way too. I also finally realized what does "frugal" install mean.
Since I have already grub1 on mbr and its files on /boot/grub (like on your pictures) I can boot whatever (win98 included).
I tried to boot puppy3.01 from ext2 and it boots! (no luck from fat16).
However I forgot pup_save.2fs from 2.17 in fat16 root that messed things up like you exactly predicted :lol:
I'm trying now wary5.3 again and I got "not found" again. It means I have to step down to earlier version till it will boot.
Thanks for your help.

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Does Puppy allow manual internet connection (wired) setup?

#24 Post by Monsie »

Hi zeis,

I run Wary Puppy. While it is designed for older systems, (I run Wary on a 1999 Pentium 3, 500 mhz cpu, 384 mb ram) it is a modern operating system and needs a minimum of 256 mb of ram to run decently.
I'm trying now wary5.3 again and I got "not found" again. It means I have to step down to earlier version till it will boot.
The "not found" message is misleading. It has nothing to do with the sfs package going missing or being in the wrong location as one might be tempted to think. Very simply, it is because you do not have enough ram... so, the boot-up cannot proceed.

With 80 mb ram on your system, Puppy 2x is likely the version that you will have to stick with to achieve success here.

I hope this clarifies things somewhat,

Monsie
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#25 Post by cthisbear »

" so, the boot-up cannot proceed. "

SFS not found.

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All puppies from about Puppy 2.1 could cheat the ram issue
by copying the main >>>> sfs file to the hard drive.

Cd boots >>> looks for files >>>

>> boots from the hard drive file ....instead of cd.

What i call a cheat frugal.

So this may be your answer....copy any Puppy that
you want to try to the hard drive...sfs file only.

I have done this on a few machines...as a test...
even things like Teenpup etc.

including an old Compaq....dodgy drive
and 64 mbs of ram.

Chris

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#26 Post by greengeek »

cthisbear wrote:All puppies from about Puppy 2.1 could cheat the ram issue
by copying the main >>>> sfs file to the hard drive.
Cd boots >>> looks for files >>>
>> boots from the hard drive file ....instead of cd.
What i call a cheat frugal.
Excellent idea. I'm going to try that on some of my older ram-skinny hardware.

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#27 Post by greengeek »

zeiz wrote:The idea to boot having only barebond kernel and initial ram disk is good but diring booting kernel is looking for (and cannot find) pup_xxxx.sfs files, that were available. ....... but I don't know them as I don't know where kernel or installer is looking for .sfs files. In howtos I was told that they must be in root (frugal install) and the universal installer (full install) is asking for the files location. Perhaps Puppy version also matters.
Hi zeiz, I think you are right that the version of Puppy determines where the main sfs file should be put. Recent puppies expect to find the sfs inside the frugal subfolder, but older puppies (ie the lightweight ones around version 2.xx) expect the sfs to be in the root (or "top directory") of the drive. see here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 8&start=50
Might be worth putting the sfs in more than one place to make sure the boot is successful :-)

Bruce B

#28 Post by Bruce B »

zeiz wrote:~
Notepad.exe also makes bad line endings. These are invisible but can cause bizzare problems.

To fix the bad line endings you can use the command line tool, dos2unix.

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#29 Post by greengeek »

zeiz wrote: Edited menu.lst to look like this:

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color white/dark-gray yellow/black
timeout=5
default=0
title Puppy Linux 217 full install on hda2
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 PMEDIA=idehd
boot
title Puppy Linux 217 frugal on hda1
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEIDA=idehd PDEV1=hda1 psubdir=boot
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.gz
boot
title Puppy Linux CurrentTry frugal on hda1
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/try/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEIDA=atahd PDEV1=hda1 psubdir=boot/try
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/try/initrd.gz
boot
title Default Windows
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
boot
I don't know if it makes any difference but I just noticed that you have spelt PMEDIA incorrectly in two places as "PMEIDA"
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